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Capturing Rodeo: Outlaw Echos
What happens when you combine a 20-year passion for video editing with a deep love for rodeo and Western culture? In just eight short months, Troy and his son have created Outlaw Echos, a rodeo promotion powerhouse that's amassed over 125,000 genuine followers and is revolutionizing how rodeo content is presented to the world.
Unlike typical rodeo coverage, Outlaw Echos brings ESPN-quality production values to every ride. Using multiple camera angles in a strategic "triangle" formation, they capture moments most fans never see – from the raw emotion behind the chutes to the exhilaration of successful rides. "You're not going to see Michael Jordan pop up at the local YMCA just to get a run in," Troy explains about rodeo's unique accessibility. "But you see that in rodeo and it's amazing."
The name "Outlaw Echos" carries profound meaning beyond initial impressions. To Troy, being an "outlaw" today means living counter to modern cultural norms – embracing personal responsibility, showing respect with "yes sir" and "yes ma'am," and prioritizing family values. When lived authentically, these values echo outward and positively influence others. This philosophy forms the foundation of everything they create.
What began as a father-son project has become something much more significant – a platform that honors rodeo's rich traditions while introducing them to new audiences through contemporary storytelling techniques. But despite their rapid growth, Troy maintains that the most valuable aspect remains the quality time spent with his children on the road, behind the camera, and editing footage together until the early morning hours. "If I'm at small-town rodeos for the next 20 years and that's all I'm doing, and it's this time I get with my kids, I'm in. Sign me up."
Ready to experience the authentic spirit of rodeo through a fresh lens? Follow Outlaw Echo and discover why this rapidly growing brand is changing how we see Western sports culture.
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Troy from Outlaw Echoes. How are you, man? Best day of my life. How about yourself?
Speaker 2:Oh man, I'm doing good, I'm doing good. Man, it's a hot one already.
Speaker 1:Hot. One right and gonna get hotter.
Speaker 2:It says, yeah, it's gonna get hot man, it's gonna be hot, you're gonna be down there, I'm gonna be up there. But the cool thing is get hot. Man, it's going to be hot, you're going to be down there, I'm going to be up there. But the cool thing is the music, man. Music always brings us together, correct? Absolutely Good times family music Can't wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're here with the little one. I would say little one because I got one little one and two older ones, but my little one is a seven just turned seven. Little one is a seven just turned seven. Nice, you got nine. Her name is kenzie. Yes, sir, but kenzie it's like a father daughter. I'm doing a father daughter too, but kenzie is. Something different about kenzie is she's a huge ian munsick fan, you bet. How is that? How is that what? What does ian bring to you? Kenzie, come here, let's. Let's just bring you up and get that done before we hit the meat potatoes.
Speaker 3:I just like how he sounds and what kind of songs he sings what kind of songs does he sing?
Speaker 2:because I know a little. And then I saw him on social media and you were just rocking out and it was almost like you had VIP, like tickets. Did you have vip tickets?
Speaker 1:did we well we were, we were up close, we were up close. We'll just say up close, you bet yeah and they.
Speaker 1:They sang at each other a little bit and ian saw her singing you know word for word with him and and he sang at her and and she was excited about it for sure, right, so you personally know him, no, just through his music and we've always kind of bonded over his music. We love it, and we saw he was in concert down the road and so we got some tickets and went and showed up and we were right up close and she was singing along and he sang at her and pointed at her and that type of thing for a small kid that's going to make a lifelong fan right there.
Speaker 2:Right, nine years old, I think she has to be the hugest Ian Munsick fan man. Yeah, yeah. Would your brother say that too? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Is that why they're not here? Because they're not a fan.
Speaker 3:They like him, but not close to as much as me and daddy.
Speaker 2:Okay, and so whatever you say goes correct. Yeah, okay, and so whatever you say goes correct. So if you say dad jump, he has to say how high. Yeah Okay, I knew it All right. Well, kenzie, have a blast today. All right, have fun. Make sure you drink a lot of water every now and then put some electrolytes in it, or you know some, some Gatorade or a little bit of soda. I don't know if you do that, but make sure you drink up. All right, okay, thank you, kenzie. So, troy, yes, sir, now that we got that out of the way, man, you are the legend, like I say, man, the myth, the legend, but you're the legend behind outlaw echoes man, that's a terrible word to use.
Speaker 1:I'm just the dude out there trying to promote rodeo and doing the best I can to shine a light on what I think is the greatest atmosphere and culture in sports, to be honest with you. But yeah, we really enjoy what we do and have a good time out there for sure.
Speaker 2:Let's start. What makes it the perfect or the best atmosphere? What makes it that?
Speaker 1:for you. Yeah, there's not a lot of sports where you see athletes cheering for each other to do better than they do. You know, you're down in the chutes and you see a guy throwing 82 on the back of a bronc and the next guy up and he's helping him get on, he's hyping him up, he's yelling at him let's have a good ride, post a good score, and he's actually cheering for the dude who could come in right after him and take his money from him. And you don't see that a lot in sports. So just that alone and that kind of encapsulizes the entire mindset of rodeo and, quite frankly, the, the Western lifestyle, you know, the humility, the love, the, the passion, the respect, the camaraderie, the family is just. It's the greatest atmosphere to be around. I've been around sports my whole life and it's uh. Nothing compares to that.
Speaker 2:It's totally different and I would agree 100, 100. Do you find it before? We get more into what you're behind and you own and everything else. But do you find it different the more you move up and the ranks of?
Speaker 1:not, not in that sense of the word. I find more dedication maybe to conditioning of body time and effort put in that sort of thing. But in regards to the camaraderie, in regards to the going down the road together, seeing each other at each rodeo, hyping each other up, that that seems to be from, you know, junior rodeo all the way up through the prca and even into pbr now how?
Speaker 2:how are they? Because you're not an athlete yourself, right? Not anymore, from junior rodeo all the way up through the PRCA and even into PBR.
Speaker 1:Now, how are they? Because you're not an athlete yourself, right? Not?
Speaker 2:anymore In the rodeo world. No, not in the rodeo world. Do you find yourself being accepted the way you are?
Speaker 1:Big time Because I come in as an invited guest. I don't come in as the way you started it with the legend the man myth. I came, I come in with hey, how can I present you in the best light to other people? I'm not going to make a mockery out of someone. I'm not going to make them look bad with any videos. I'm always going to lift them up and and brighten them. And I was raised around rodeo. You know all my cousins team ropers, calf ropers, my okay, my other cousins. A two-time reserve world champion, steer wrestler at the nfr like this. I've been around this my whole life, so I know how to act, what to show, what not to show, what to say, what not to say, and so I've just been really welcomed and it's been an incredible situation, honestly but then you find out they act just as we do, absolutely, and you know out of the room for sure the dirt you bet you bet yeah, you know who invited me just recently to go ride with them on the road, wiley.
Speaker 2:Oh nice. Now I can tell, like you know, he's a man's man, you bet, you know.
Speaker 2:And he rides. He's very professional in the rink and out, yeah, but I can tell he can get down man Wiley Jack, you bet. Coyote, coyote, it's Coyote, absolutely Coyote. Coyote, it's Coyote, absolutely Wild Jack Coyote, good dude. So, with being accepted and everything else, people don't question you. Basically, you do what you do and you're darn good at it, thank you. Social media is not my kind of cup of tea. I'll take a picture here and there let people know where I'm at, you bet. But then I also find out that a lot of people don't. If I'm missing one thing, they're like, oh, this is a mountain and brew, you know social media. And I'm like, no, it's not, it's just.
Speaker 2:I travel. I don't like to eat fast food, I like brewery food, and there's a lot of breweries that get a bad rep because a lot of people think it's just pub food. There's some good stuff out there, man, and one of the best ones that I know of is Initiative out of Redmond. If you ever go to Redmond, hit them up, man, because it's not like a brew pub, it's like high-end food, not just burgers and stuff like that. They got like Pad Thai, but I like to put them on blast, you know, because I don't want to eat McDonald's on the road, you know.
Speaker 2:And so what I did made a difference is, uh, when I, when I went to Indiana, I had my daughter pick the breweries, you know, nice. So I was just like pick which one? And anything with fried pickles. She was like, okay, and you know, fried pickles, there's a lot of different pickles out there, yes, sir, and she's a connoisseur. And she made sure hey, nice, this is. This hits the spot. So, going back, outlaw echoes yeah, the meaning behind it all, why outlaw echoes the? The name, yeah, and why set it up now?
Speaker 1:and well, the first part, there, the outline, echoes the name that basically formed from. You know, as as my, my son and I were, we're kind of thinking about what we wanted to do and kind of the platform and how it would look and whatnot. We started thinking about names and and one thing I've always seen for the last I don't know 16, 17 years is is adults coming up to your kids are so well-mannered it's ma'am, it's sir, it's please, it's thank you, it's look them in the eye, it's shake their hand. And as that continued to happen, time after time after time, I started to realize that the reason these people are saying this stuff to me about my children is because that's not common In today's society. That is not a common way for children, teenagers, young men to behave.
Speaker 1:It's kind of that outlying way of living. You know, the idea of personal responsibility, the idea of looking out for one another. That seems to be the outlying mindset of our society, and it used to not be, and so that's where the outlaw part comes in. I'm trying to continue to live outside of what that new norm is that I don't want to be a part of. I want to have personal responsibility. I want to wake up in the morning and pray, get on my knees and give my life and my children to God. And I want to work out in the morning, get that out of the way, and I want to look guys in the eyes. I want my kids to shake hands.
Speaker 1:So it's that outlaw mentality of I'm not doing everything the way society is. You know, Romans 12, 2 talks about do not conform yourself to the world, but transform yourself to the renewing of your mind. That's the mindset that basically Outlaw Echoes was built on. That idea of the new outlaw is that person who's living that way. And when you live that way, with these people coming up to me and telling me that I'm seeing this, I'm seeing that in your kids, it echoes out and it changes other people. And so when you live this outlaw life and it's not this shoot them up, outlaw you know that people think when they first see the page no, it's the exact opposite. But when you live that way, it does echo out, it does change people, it brings people in. No-transcript.
Speaker 2:I was just trying to put two and two together. I'm like, okay, okay, outlaw Echo.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So when did you?
Speaker 1:start the brand. Crazy enough, we started in December of last year, so 24, we've only been doing it for what?
Speaker 2:eight, eight months or so, and good gosh that social media you got quite the following yeah, now dude outstanding production thank you I think kenzie's behind it. I don't think big brother is, but kenzie, knowing you know big brother.
Speaker 1:He thinks he's a professional photographer he doesn't do the editing in those. So he just shows up where's the camera, I'll get the shot and walks out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so so now that I know you know kinsey, I think runs the show- behind behind dad, dad, just, you know he calls the shots, but I think kinsey calls more of the shots than anything ceo acute executive officer ah, there you go there you go there you go but like eight months and then yeah, you know, if you look on your following or your followers, they're not paid. You know, not one purchased follower I make sure I talk to.
Speaker 1:There is not one purchase. We have done a couple of ads where you want to get in front of certain people. Just a couple of those, very few of those. Even all of it's been organic growth. Yeah, I'm glad you said there's not. You know we got 125 000 and not one of them was purchased well, I looked, man, why wiley talks you guys up and I?
Speaker 3:I saw you guys before wiley mentioned it I was like, yeah, man, they got quite the phone he's like yeah, you should, you should hit up on that.
Speaker 2:They got organic growth. So I actually like I, you know, I do my research, I make sure, I maintain, and yeah, you know, just dude, not one person from india, because that's where they get them from. You know that right? Yeah, is that right? Is that how you look at it?
Speaker 1:I wasn't sure I was like how do you know? I didn't buy any of those. Yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't know it's all India or Pakistani.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, it's like not when you get social media, when you get a podcast yeah, that's how you can boost your growth and pay this much, and all those guys are from foreign countries that don't even pay attention and then they're bots. That's how you know okay that's when you see, hey, I want to message you, you know hey can I?
Speaker 2:put this online like no right, and they don't. So yeah, so you got the huge following eight months and 123 000 yes, sir, followers. Right, you don't put yourself out there that much yes, man, you you've done your research.
Speaker 1:You don't put yourself no, I I didn't. The first seven months or so, the first couple of months, it was what is this page going to be? Yeah, we know it's going to be western content, because I had all this rodeo footage from, you know, family members. I had all these country western concerts that we get pretty good seats too because we're passionate about it. So I had all this western content. You know, different uh, county fairs and whatnot, and race cars, all this western guys. Like what am I? This is what the page is going to be about.
Speaker 1:So we started with that, yeah, and then I I went out to Montana in January, out to Great Falls, to watch my cousin compete in the Montana circuit finals and he won the steer wrestling out there and we got a bunch of content and we started posting it. And that really started to blow up. And my cousin came to me and said you know there's not a lot of guys who are doing NBA, nfl style highlights on rodeo. And he said you know's been doing for 20 years. He said what we do is we just take our runs, we take our rides and we just post them on social media and the graphics are wrong. And there's, you know, the. The sounding is is terrible and there's no slow motion, there's nothing to them, we just throw them up there. And he said what you're doing with these types of highlights, where you're putting like espn level, that's what he was saying.
Speaker 1:He said there's a huge hole for that in the rodeo world and when we started doing that, it was like the growth really started to happen as well. It's crazy, right. So we started to form into okay, not only are we going to continue to promote the western lifestyle, but we're going to bring these people who are into this lifestyle into the actual rodeo lifestyle by using the western style content to bring them to the rodeo content. And then boom, there it is, these highlights and we're creating more western rodeo fans through our content. So that's how it kind of developed into this rodeo promotion A lot of it, a lot of it, yeah. And then, as we're doing that, my son's like hey, if we're going to continue to promote rodeos, for particular rodeos, they're going to hire us and they're going to bring us in and we're going to promote the rodeo. We have to go behind the scenes and show them what's going on.
Speaker 3:And I'm like I don't want to be in front of the camera.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do that, you know. So my son's like, let me do it first. Yeah, the 4th of July weekend, that was the first one we did. He did an outstanding job.
Speaker 1:He did a great job. I was proud of him, you know. Yeah, he brought his own humor to it, but he was serious about it. He's like if we're going to promote rodeos on a personal level, then we probably should kind of show what we're doing and maybe bring more of that backstage stuff to the front. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:A lot of people put you know when you you talked about outlaw echoes a lot of people put god first, you guys put second and you don't really talk about that much right on social media no the first time you talked about it is today yeah is there a reason? No, there's no wrong or right answer. I was just wondering because a lot of people in the world we do.
Speaker 1:We do have god, family country, we've got god first. We do have that, but we're not gonna. The mindset of this is built around that. But you can be a fan of rodeo and not be a fan of God. You can be a fan of the Western lifestyle and not be a fan of God. So I don't want people thinking that hey, to be a fan of this page or to watch these, we've got to be a God follower at all.
Speaker 2:But at the, I got you, I got you. But there's a lot out that put first and that's all they put and nothing wrong with it, but it does steer a lot of people away.
Speaker 1:That may be the case.
Speaker 2:Especially the people that are just getting into it. Yeah, you know, just the light, not the lifestyle, but just the rodeo way of life.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure, and when I look at the God thing, it's attraction over promotion for me. Gotcha, you want to know what I'm doing. You want to know why. When you first asked me, when we started the podcast, how was your day Best day of my life? That's my answer every single time. I live a godly way. I live my life according to what I think God wants me to live, how he wants me to be a man in front of my kids and my wife. Now, if you want to know what that's about, we can talk about it, but I'm not going to force it. I'm not going to shove it down someone's throat. You know it's. It's attraction over promotion for me.
Speaker 2:Okay why not put yourself out there more?
Speaker 1:you not interesting? I don't care about me, it's not about me. I'm not trying to promote other people. To be honest with you.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to promote other people yeah, I see you in the pictures, but you're not in front of the camera stating anything. You know you. Just you have your son do it. You bet how old's your son.
Speaker 1:He's 17. And he does a fantastic, fantastic job. And ultimately we started the page cause it was like what are you gonna do with your life? You're really social. Yeah, you're a good looking kid, you're funny.
Speaker 2:You're smart, you're good in front of the camera.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice, yeah, you're good in front of the camera. I was like you know, what do you? And he's like oh, social media is one of the biggest growing businesses in America, you know. So what do we do about that? Well, let's start a page. What are we going to start it about? Well, we love the Western lifestyle. We live the Western lifestyle. We're in the barn, you know, five days a week with my daughter. We're, you know, all our family members are rodeoing. Let's start a page based on that. And so, hopefully, this is kind of maybe, or social media, or in front of the camera, something like that. So that's why the idea of let's get him out there. You know, I love the editing, I love the videoing, I love promoting people, all the stuff no one likes. I love it, I love it. You know, I want to lift you up and show how good you look, you know, and so that's just part of it. It's like all right, buddy, let to be in a lot of the videos.
Speaker 2:So is the majority of this his baby? No, it's me, it's you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's me, he loves it and I think ultimately he'll take it over someday. But you know, I've been in business for you know business world for 25, 30 years, and so it's like what do you want to do, son? I want to do this.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's build this, so I would say a majority at this point, a lot of impact from him, input from him, sorry, and a lot, of, a lot, yeah, a lot of time together in that. But as far as, like, sitting down and editing the videos, yeah, that's me, that's me, because he'll leave dead spots or you know, he's learning, you know. So he'll edit it and give it to me and I'll kind of clean it up and then we'll post it, sort of thing. But it's not just here's the footage. Go do it, buddy. Not yet. Did you ever think you would be this big? I think it could be a lot bigger, because it's not me, you know what I mean. I think that the sport and the lifestyle is so attractive and there is such a gaping hole in regards to covering it. I think it could go a lot bigger. To be honest with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see you guys going bigger than a lot of people that are out now. You guys go on bigger than a lot of people that are out now. You guys are a lot bigger than the people that are out now and they are the big names. You know what I mean. They have the names and that's the only difference. Yeah, you're making a name for yourself, but the production, like I said, like people have been saying ESPN style. You know, when I see a post from you, I know it's not grainy. Yeah, I know it's not grainy. Yeah, I know it's not like. You know wiley's phone, you know right back of the shoe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know for sure it's like, yeah, straight up, it's money yeah we're gonna have two or three cameras, two or three different angles, like you know a lot of times. Yeah, a lot of people have one angle and if the, if the horse goes away, you lose it. We got a guy on each side of the of the of the arena and one behind the shoes. We got a triangle. It triangled. So wherever that horse goes, wherever that bull goes, we got them.
Speaker 2:Looks a lot better than the Cowboy Channel mostly too, let me tell you. But no, with that production, are you ready for growth?
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and if people start catching wind of the PNW outlaw echoes, you know, I mean the ceiling's high man, For sure, and I always say I want to get the most eyes on, I want to make this the most sought after.
Speaker 1:Looked at watched circuit in the country Just because this is where I'm at and I love the people that are involved in it. I love the Cowboys, I love the Cowgirl, I love the stock contractors, I love everything about this circuit. So it's like let's promote the hell out of this and then, if it goes elsewhere, great. We've shot the PBR twice. There's other big ones that we're going to go bigger and bigger, but it's always going to be. You know the Aces, Wild Rodeos, the PNW, you know PRCA in this region. That's really going to turn us on.
Speaker 2:Okay, what if it does happen? What if it does? You got the opportunity to go to Texas. You got the opportunity to go to Southeast. You got you know, New Jersey is a big cow town.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what happens then.
Speaker 1:I mean. I don't know if it's a situation where we have, you know, satellite, remote pages all over the place, but right now we're focused on the Pacific Northwest and then, you know, maybe some of the finals and some of the bigger promotional type rodeos, things like that, but as far as just like covering a circuit, there is no plans to go anywhere outside of the Columbia River circuit. To be honest with you right now.
Speaker 2:And what about getting a a booth on at the NFR?
Speaker 1:We are going to the NFR this year. We're going to go with aces wild rodeo and sit on some of the meetings and whatnot and see what that's about and whatnot. As far as a booth, that might be a year or two out, but you know, anything's a possibility. Everything's open. And what about social media? Keeping that but also starting your own podcasts. You got to go up against guys like you that are professionals.
Speaker 1:It's tough to do. I mean I don't want to. You know, go in there and just get pummeled right off the bat. You know I'm going to stick. No, I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm passionate about videos. You know my my kids have. You know, I grew up. I've, quite frankly, I've been editing videos for the last 20 years, before video cameras were even like easily to carry around. You know, you can go back to our hard drives and pull up seven years ago in march and you'll see exactly what our family was doing and it'll be set to music with slow motion and you know so, literally every month for the last 20 years I've been editing videos.
Speaker 1:So video editing is my passion. Okay, podcast is not my passion. So could I do it? I mean it'd be cool, it'd be fun, but that's not my passion. Like when I'm in a rodeo, we stay out late. You know we cover everything. We cover behind the scenes. Yeah, the next morning I'm in the hotel or I'm in the back of the truck and I wake up at 3, 30 or 4, just wake up out of the blue and start editing, because I can't wait to get to the editing. I absolutely love it. I want to see, what did I? What did we get what? What shots did we get? How can I make it look? How cool is this ride that? What music I got to find the right music to go with? My son will wake up. Oh, use this song, you know. So the passion of that is what keeps me to the video editing and the social media, rather than the podcast or anything like that well, I appreciate the uh, the top dog word doing it, man, you're doing it.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir you know a lot of people do that. But man, I tell you what couple you know. The year has been like just a little stressful, you know. Yeah, yeah, but I appreciate you the kind words you bet. And you know, shout out to Wiley. Ain't going to shout that one person out, okay, but I'll shout out Wiley. But you know he was just like dude, you got to get him on. It's going to be good.
Speaker 1:It's going to promote the heck out of it. That's cool. So no, wiley's great. We've put up, I think, two individual highlight videos of him and I think one of them has like 110 000 views. The other one has 70 000 views and you know, whatever the reason is these, these people, they love the wiley videos it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It's guys like that that make me continue or allow me to continue. Just because they feed they, they feed it, you know, and and I had a passion, I always had a passion radio. That's why I don't do social media that's why I don't put this on social media now my daughter. On the other hand, which I was going to say, what's up kids and social media these days?
Speaker 2:right my daughter, on the other hand, is like why don't you just put it on social media? Why do you? It's so much work, yeah, so much work it really is and also it's not about me.
Speaker 2:I've never put this podcast about me. I put the podcast. The only time I put it about me is like when I'm traveling, yeah, I meet people. You bet the breweries. But every guy, person I put on here, I put them on blast. It's not me, and you know. And so finally I'll be putting myself on the last way, it's for sure. You know I'm 246, 45. This is 45th incredible episode. I could have more, but people know, as you know, life happens. Yeah, you know, like forrest gump said, you bet with the smiley face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with the smile.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, yes and and so here I am and had a few sparks and a few people on that have put it on. But Wiley man, he's always staying true. He's like dude, give me a patch, I'll wear it, I'll wear it. He's like I believe in you and he's a young buck. He's a young kid For sure, with a wise soul. Yep, he's just amazing. I'd say nothing but great things about him.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And you know he'll hear this and he's like man you put tears in my eyes Now he's not going to tear up because I said that Right, you know, shut them tears off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like nope, not anymore, right.
Speaker 2:But no, I'm going to go on the road. That's going to be. Opportunity comes. You got a nine to five or yep, yeah, yep, the opportunity comes. Would you be willing to step up your game in the rodeo world?
Speaker 1:absolutely, yeah, absolutely. If you tell me, do anything, all I have to do is is rodeo videos and promotion. Yeah, I'm in, absolutely okay, you know, and and if it goes that way which which would be great that's fantastic, and maybe that's what we're setting up for my sons. I got my 15-year-old who also comes out in videos as well. So, if this is what we set up and they're able to do this, this is their nine-to-five is rodeo, promotion and social media great. I love social media because it's a platform for me to use my art, it's a place for me to post my videos. That's why I love it. Gotcha, eight months and 123K yeah, and really we only started posting heavy highlights and whatnot in January, february, so you know it's been four or five months of some pretty rapid growth.
Speaker 1:Think about it man, I'm just saying that's crazy. No, it is. I'm looking at some of the numbers, Some of these videos.
Speaker 2:We've got like 80 videos that have over 300 000 views. I look at those numbers. Those are crazy numbers. That's insane and I would say, uh, some other word. But dude, it's not garbage man it's crazy, you know? Yeah, it's it's out of this world, and that's one of the things wiley's like oh yeah, dude, my video got this I'm like okay, wiley dude there's crazy numbers. Yeah, you're stud. People know that. That's it, that's All. The girls love you.
Speaker 1:That's it. Yeah, for sure. That's why, yeah, let's get a space in front of the camera as soon as possible, for sure, exactly. That's funny.
Speaker 2:So you ever get starstruck.
Speaker 1:Man, I don't want to sound arrogant, but I don't Like they're. They're people and it's. You know. I love people, you know, and it's not. I love what people have done with their life, but that's what. That's what stardom is, it's. What have you done better than other people? That's all it is. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you ever meet somebody and you're like, damn, I can't believe he's in the same room as me. Let me think If you were with Dougie Doug, dougie's great. And look at J-Dub man, j-dub, j-dub's great. I remember when he was just out there at Lotto Bulls, yep, doing that. Now, after the podcast, he started getting some contracts in Montana, yep. And now look at him, dude, he's doing great, he's dogging it, yeah, so yeah, when I see that little guy, I'll tell, tell you what.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say starstruck, but. But we were out at cedric woolley over fourth july weekend and I'm sitting up and we we climb into little spots to get the right angle and I got one guy hiding mine. Offense, I got one guy up, you know, by the, by the announcer's booth, and so that time I'm up in the perch by the announcer booth, I'm looking over the crowd and I see this dude patched up. I'm like this guy has no open real estate on his shirt. Yeah, I got this, has got to be someone. I look closer, I'm like that's ty harris, yeah. And I'm like, no, I pull out my day. I'm like hold on, hold on, he's not on this day. That's who it is. I'm tech to my son hey, dude's coming up three runs. It's ty harris, number four in the world. You got to get him, make sure you get him. He's like okay, you know, no problem.
Speaker 1:After the run he came in through the loop, took, took second the rodeo, just crushed it. I go back behind the box and I say, hey, man, I'm troy, I'm without like those. Do you mind if I ask you a couple questions? Yeah, he says no, I love it. I'd really appreciate it and I'm like you gotta be kidding, I was right starstruck by the humility of a superstar.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, there are so many sports where they're like now get away from me out, like who the heck's out? Like I'm not talking to you. This dude was like I'd be honored. Yes, please, please, ask me questions. It was amazing. And he's like hey, tag me, we'll collaborate with you on that video. You know it's great. Yeah, so when you say starstruck, that's what starstruck me is like you have so much success, you have so many followers everybody in the rodeo world knows who you are and you act honored that I'm gonna ask you some questions. Yeah, so, to answer your question. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm starstruck in that type of situation where it's like wow, really, this is how you're going to treat me in this amazing way. Yeah, even though you're at this elevated status that you're at no, I got you.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. Yeah, and that's what I meant. For sure you know.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, my gosh, it was cool. It was a really cool experience. You bet, and you're right small times he just pops up out of nowhere. I'm like what hold up? Yeah, that's the great thing about rodeo you know, I mean you're not gonna see michael jordan pop up at the local ymca just to get a run in. You know, I mean like out of the blue, but you see that in rodeo and it's amazing yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:It is okay, all right, man, so nfr one day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, if that's where god has in plan, I'm. I'm down for whatever. You know, if we're down in the dirt one day for nfr, that would be fantastic. It'd be amazing. You know, if we're not and I'm a cedar woolly every single year for the next 20 years that's amazing as well. You know, wherever wherever I can spend time with my kid this is so much about my kids, yeah I'm on the road.
Speaker 1:We're driving four and a half hours, me and my son. How many dads are with their 17-year-old son every weekend for four hours in a truck, videoing, chopping up videos together, driving home four hours, camping, making bonfires, eating food on the road with their 17-year-old son and them saying this is fantastic. What an opportunity.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So if I'm in, if I'm at small town road, if I'm at open rodeos for the next 20 and that's all I'm doing and it's this time I get with my kids, I'm in, sign me up. But if it's nfr, I'm good there too no, knowing you know harrison collabing with them.
Speaker 2:The more people you collab, the the bigger you're gonna get yep, yep, so goes that way.
Speaker 1:Great. But as long as I got the kids with me and we're doing this together, you know I'm in wherever it takes me.
Speaker 2:I feel like, even before taking this, you know this episode and everything else I feel like, dude, you're going to get larger than life and you're going to expand and you're going to know what to do. But but I think, man, just hearing that you started eight months ago and having the following that you do yeah, only time, it's only time will tell man yeah, and it's crazy to sit down with you. You know, I'm honored to have you on, but just now, knowing like eight months, yeah, and social media, man, I didn't know my daughter was on to something.
Speaker 1:It's crazy it's been cool girl, and it's crazy it's been cool girl and it's been it's been.
Speaker 3:Instagram focused.
Speaker 1:You know, we got like 5,000 on Tik TOK and I just don't.
Speaker 2:I don't put any time into it, it's more appropriate. Yeah, tik TOK is like you can get lost.
Speaker 1:What I like about Instagram is the interaction, like I can collab with, with, with, with cowboys and cowgirls, and they can promote it and we can comment back and forth to each other and you're one direct message away from that person and it just feels like it's more interactive and instagram and it's less showy, it feels more family, it feels more you know kind of the platform that we're we're presenting and facebook's dying. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah, facebook's dead. A lot of rodeo committees want us on facebook, so we just developed our facebook page last week. Okay, we have 22 whole followers. So if you're listening, you want to go on facebook and follow us go ahead, so you can integrate your Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 1:So just basically, we're doing that right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just go to Meta Cool and then.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:They'll just Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So everything that I say on Instagram goes to my personal Facebook.
Speaker 1:I got to link that up. Most of my time, like I said, is all on. Instagram. Yeah, my son's on there as well.
Speaker 2:So how many hours a day Too many?
Speaker 3:Let's say during the rodeo. It's the whole time.
Speaker 2:When it ends? How late do you stay up? Do you get any rest?
Speaker 1:No, not on rodeo weekends. It's Friday at noon. We leave and we're there by 3 or 4, and we set up and we shoot it and then we go back to where a lot of times we sleep in the bed of the truck. We'll just sleep in the truck and then get up next morning at four in the morning and five in the morning. I'm starting to edit because I want to get.
Speaker 1:I want to get four or five highlight videos posted in the morning before the evening or afternoon perf so that people in the area can see it and come to the show. Gotcha, look what's happening over here. Oh, we're only an hour away, we're a half hour away. So that's going to help promote the actual rodeo. So if I can get up and get three or four of those good highlight videos not the story but the actual videos posted, then that's going to promote that evening. Okay, right, that's going to create more buzz about it. So I'm banging hours and then the next day sunday or monday, whatever it is it's up in the morning and it could be till nine or ten o'clock at night editing videos, sending them to people who were in the video, posting them on stories, finding the right songs, like it's literally from friday morning till monday night make a difference.
Speaker 2:That's what it is. It makes a difference because a lot of people they're like you put you put on like you know some Merle Haggard, like nah. But if you put on some, you know hip hop or it's got a match. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Has to match.
Speaker 2:It's got a match and honestly that's.
Speaker 1:That's the greatest compliment I get when someone because the rodeo or the event tells me what the video is going to be about. You know, I could go to a rodeo a small town rodeo where just some of the rankest Bronx are and the songs are going to match that, but I'm not going to go to one that isn't that way and try to create that feeling in the video and the songs help do that. You know what I mean. So when we first started I was like I'm only doing country, that's it, I'm only.
Speaker 1:And I was like ah, this one this one really makes me feel rock and roll. I got to do it and I'm like this kind of Eminem. Let me throw that on there. So it's like you really can't. I mean, I'm heavy, heavy country but we're throwing in some rock and occasional, some hip hop, like whatever the, whatever the video tells you get involved with a lot of the younger kids and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:They ain't listening to country Right, they're listening to Katy Perry, taylor Swift, nickelback. I wouldn't go that way. But, they're listening to the grown boys, the hardcore boys, on the bulls and back of the bulls.
Speaker 1:I'm hearing that. I've heard that on your podcast a couple of times. Yeah, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:We're listening to Taylor Swift on the way to the rodeo, so I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask, when you are traveling with your boys?
Speaker 1:yeah, kenzie, right now yeah, kenzie, okay, kenzie can put her input soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's waiting. She's on her ipad, you know, with their boots on and everything else. You bet. What are you guys rolling up to?
Speaker 1:I mean it's a lot of hank jr really okay, yeah yeah, that's family that's
Speaker 1:number one for me and both my boys Like absolutely. And then we, you know we love Cody Johnson, riley Green. There's actually some Morgan Wallen mixed in it's 95 to 98% country on the way to these shows for sure, okay, absolutely. You know Alan Jackson. We went and saw Alan Jackson, zach Topp in Dallas a couple of months ago. That was incredible. You know so huge Zach Top fans. I mean Northwest, I mean that makes sense, right, we would love them. But just the old school country and Worthington, there are just so many out there that are so good right now that it's straight country and it's typically true country that we really like. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Same same, so question. I know she's the huge Ian Munsic's fan. What did you guys roll up into?
Speaker 1:So we went. We're a set list group Like her, and I go to a lot of concerts together. I take my boys to a lot of concerts with my wife. We do a lot of concerts, and I'll just research the set list. And so we set up the Ian Munsic set list, we set up the Riley Green set list and we set up the Cody Johnson set list.
Speaker 3:It was so cute.
Speaker 2:She's like set it up she's like.
Speaker 1:She's like that's like an hour and 15 minutes per set list. We can listen to all set lists and get all the songs and we'll re-listen to them. Make sure we get all the words. We're ready to go, so it's, uh, on the way. Here it was. It was the three that we're going to see tonight at the pendleton whiskey music fest, but with the boys.
Speaker 1:It's, it's straight country on the way to the rodeos with her, it's. You know, whatever concert we're going to, we're just thumping that music the whole way. Okay, yeah, and she has a heavy input, and and so do the boys, you know, they really do, and I'm just, I'm just blessed that all three of my kids have similar interests, that I have, you know, and uh, similar taste in music and we got the same mindsets and and so it's, it's, it's like I'm hanging out with my friends when we're heading to these rodeos.
Speaker 1:To be honest, it's amazing that's, that's the best way to have it right. We show up and it's excitement. We're in the back of the chutes and we're, you know, shaking hands and laughing and having a good time with all the competitors. And it just, it just continues from the, from the, from the cab of the truck right into the chutes and then into the, the night, at the, at the fire and down at the restaurants tell me your first moment about when they offered you to go back in the chutes behind the chutes, man so that was, uh, that was monroe in march and we, like I said, we shot the january, we shot the montana circuit finals in january.
Speaker 1:We were outside the, we were outside the fences, but my cousin did get us back behind where they're warming up, you know. So we got a, we got to shoot shelby medjed and we got to shoot, you know, joey williams and some of these, you know big time rodeo stars. It was cool, we were back there, but as far as like, on the shoots it was different, you know.
Speaker 2:And then it's way different. It's way different, it's way down monroe.
Speaker 1:I just reached out. I was like, hey, you know, this is right down the road from us, it's a, it's a prca rodeo. We just got done with the montana one and maybe, maybe that's the way this page is going, so let's take a look at that. So we reached out to some people and they're like man, come check it out, you know we'll get you back here. So we get back there and it's a different feeling from, you know, being in the stands or even up next to the fences, than it is being, you know, a foot from the action. It's a really cool experience. That's what I try to capture with those videos is how it truly feels, and you still can't.
Speaker 1:You cannot capture the excitement, the intensity, the fear. I mean there was one time and I won't say the rodeo, cause you might be able to find out who the cowboy was but I'm zooming in on his face and he's got tears coming out of his eyes, getting on this bull and his whole body is shaking. You're not seeing that from the stands and I'm like I'm here for a reason. I'm staying zoomed in, I'm staying in that tight shot on his face and he looks at me and the fear is incredible and he seen me record him and he didn't have an issue with it. You know, I stayed on him and he's shaking and and he announced like we're going to get one of these balls covered.
Speaker 1:And I'm like looking up at that Now it's just staying like not this dude, he can massive struggle going on right there. Am I not going to stay on for eight? Am I going to shake my head? Am I going to nod my head and open this gate? You know, and I was able to capture that and, true, within a second he was on the dirt and he climbed the heck out, climbed up on that fence and I put my hand on his shoulder and he still had the tears, his whole body was still shaking, but he was jacked and I told him I said you won the there. You didn't stay on, but you won. That was a huge battle of am I gonna do this or not? So to be able to be up close and capture that type of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I love it, love it. What do you prefer in regards to the fence?
Speaker 1:shoot stands. I like to shoot the shoots, shoot the shoots. I like to shoot the shoots and I like to have people spread out in the arena to shoot the wide angles every rodeoo I go to I know people that go there.
Speaker 2:They're like come make the shoes, I'm good.
Speaker 1:Really, why is that Too intense, too much? I want to be in the way, or what? Because?
Speaker 2:you got to have your head in the swivel.
Speaker 1:You got to have your head in the swivel back there for sure.
Speaker 2:You know I promote the heck out of the Western lifestyle. Yep, I just don't look the type.
Speaker 1:Gotcha.
Speaker 2:The last thing I want is an old traditional yes sir, and be like nah, or even question, even though they know I mean. Well, I just you know, I go to NFR, I go running shoes. I stay true, for sure I got my, you know Coros, absolutely, and I got my. You know corals, and I got my yeah, yeah, and the last thing I want is an old traditional, say hey, yeah or say anything negative.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful of you to say, because authenticity is huge in the western lifestyle. It's huge in rodeo and and and. For you to say that it's just. That's so much self-awareness on your part, yeah beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I make sure that. And a lot of people offer to go to the shoot. You know, enter, have them interview, yeah, but I I'd rather do that on the fences I'll be like hey, makes sense, come over here, come over here.
Speaker 2:But yeah, one day I'll go on the shoot but do the last thing I'm gonna do is wear cowboy boots that aren't broken in. Yep, hey, I can do trail shoes that are broken in, for sure. But you know, come to find out, a lot of the boys behind the shoots were they do when you're working the shoot trail shoots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm like dude, I can be that, but I've really thought about commentating, yeah, and thought about doing that. But uh, just getting my foot in the door, yeah, and I'm pretty sure if I talk to the right person I can. But commentating or, you know, broadcasting, just yeah no, we're back to.
Speaker 1:We got our, we got our pearl snaps, we got our long sleeves and and, uh, you know I saw that there are some companies that want their brand out there and so they've sponsored us and we we got patches that you know companies that are sponsoring us that that want to get their name out there and I'm not out there hust, and so they've sponsored us and we we've got patches that you know companies that are sponsoring us that that want to get their name out there and I'm not out there hustling our real estate on our clothing.
Speaker 1:but you know, if there's a brand that's yeah, for sure, and so we do dress the part when we're back there and make sure we got the you know our hat on to be.
Speaker 2:You got to look the right way for sure you do, just out of the tradition, absolutely, you know it's honor and respect to the sport.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, yeah it really is. And we've got some dudes that, like my younger son, let's say he can't make it. So my, my older son will bring a friend and I'll say, okay, here's a camera, it's a really nice camera is push this button and keep it in this frame and if you get some footage I'll use it right. So that's our third cameraman and and it's we make sure here's some gear, like you got to make sure you got your outlaw echo shirt on and it's got the patches on it.
Speaker 1:And here's a hat like you got to look the part because we respect the sport, we respect the culture. You know what I mean. And I won't send them to the shoots, but I'll put them on the fence and you know, shoot what you can and get the footage that you can. And so we're bringing we're bringing even more people to rodeo that way. You know friends that are never been to a rodeo. So here, man, put a cowboy hat on. Here's a camera, just hold it steady and see if you can get some footage for us, because me and my other son we're going to get the footage we need. But yeah, if we can add in some bonus stuff, it's great.
Speaker 2:I got you, I got you. And people can't say there's no tradition, because huge tradition from the stands. I'll say this one you can really tell the traditional ones to the new ones. You know, viewers, when you're at a regular rodeo and they bring in BFO or bullfighting, you bet the traditions they step away.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:The young folk and everybody else that are in it just for the views and just for the hype. They're there, but you can tell by the traditionals yep, they're out the door. Man, they don't care about that bullfighting, bfo, right stuff, which man I love. That's why I got excited. Yeah, that's why I got to make good video too. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah but so people that question that whole tradition? You need to look up a little bit around the side of that shoe because definitely some sticklers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's rich in tradition, for sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then, case in point, we're going to the you know whiskey festival, Hamilton Whiskey Festival, I mean the tradition, green grass.
Speaker 1:They're the only place that has the green grass correct and they're not going to change that at all.
Speaker 2:Right, greengrass? They're the only place that has the greengrass correct and they're not going to change that at all. Right Times are different when they do the. You know Absolutely the bulldogging. I mean yes, sir, yeah, compared to the dirt, yep, three seconds in the dirt, 14 seconds in the grass. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. So yeah, huge, huge, huge.
Speaker 3:So you love what you do, love it.
Speaker 2:Okay, when you're on the road, yeah, what's. And besides hanging out with your kids, what's your go-to meal? Man, like, what do you do? Do you bring stuff from home?
Speaker 1:I always say I'm going to, yeah, and you don't. I'm going to eat healthy. I'm going to bring some food. It's going to be cheaper because you know it's expensive lifestyle chasing this rodeo around. I'm going to eat my own. No, I don't. I mean I want to go to like we went to Roosters this morning. We're here in Pendleton.
Speaker 2:And it was like.
Speaker 1:I saw a big sign that had a big chicken on it. It said Roosters Country Diner. Well, we're doing breakfast there, so I want to try to kind in the culture of the area that I'm at. See so that I'm feeling exactly the tradition of the area and the rodeo and the committee.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Tastes good. I will not. I don't do fast food joints, I don't do chain restaurants. You will not find me at a Starbucks. I'm better off getting a Motel 6 cup of coffee here, like we're at today, than I would be going to.
Speaker 2:Starbucks, you said it.
Speaker 1:That's who I am you know what I mean, absolutely I'll just I'll get you know a gas station cup of coffee before I'll go to and, no offense, starbucks.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to get the Starbucks sponsorship, but and I pretty much shot the chances of that happening but it's for me it's submerging myself in the culture of the area that we're in. You know what I mean. So it's the local restaurants and then occasionally we'll do like a VRBO and we'll get steaks and potatoes and the kids will, you know, cook dinner and we'll have a fire out back and you know we'll kind of do a traditional thing like that. But if it's non-made food, then it's somewhere that's authentic and authentic to that region that we're at.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you don't have to move or anything, kenzie, but I got this one question before I asked pops, okay, do you and people are going to have a trip and people are going to trip out because I'm going to ask this question. My, one of my stable questions is do you eat peanut butter jelly sandwiches? Yes, how do you build or make a peanut butter jelly sandwich? Because that's a huge difference, now, huge difference. The more you get involved with this, this, this question, people will fight you to death on making and building. And then do you call it PBJ or peanut butter jelly? It do Trust me, troy, no, doubt, serious man, no doubt, and when I don't ask this question, people flip.
Speaker 2:But since there's a nine-year-old who calls the shots.
Speaker 1:I got to ask her how do you make it? Do you make it?
Speaker 3:No, I do not make it?
Speaker 1:Who makes it? My mom, all right.
Speaker 2:So, but mom, mom knows the trick, because she's fed you that for how many years now.
Speaker 3:Nine About. For how many years now? Nine About to be ten?
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, but when did you start eating peanut butter jelly sandwich, or do you call it PBJ, peanut butter and jelly? There you go, okay. So, since you can remember how, has mom made or built that sandwich for you to your liking? What?
Speaker 1:are her steps.
Speaker 3:She puts the pieces of bread down.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then she puts the peanut butter.
Speaker 1:One side or both sides.
Speaker 3:One side, all right. And then the jelly on the other side, and then she flips it together.
Speaker 2:Okay, does she cut the edges, the crust? Are you a crust girl?
Speaker 3:I'm not a crust girl, but she doesn't cut them off?
Speaker 2:she doesn't. So you go around and you bite the. Oh, you're one of those. Now do you end up wearing the peanut butter and jelly sandwich on the side of your cheeks? Not usually okay, but when it's that good you, you do. Yeah, all right. So other question what's the ratio? Is it more jelly to peanut butter or you're more peanut butter to jelly?
Speaker 3:More peanut butter.
Speaker 2:Okay, crunchy or creamy.
Speaker 3:Creamy.
Speaker 2:Okay, see, now you're getting it, she's getting it, she's getting it.
Speaker 1:She's got it, she's got it.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, all right. But if you had to pick a cheeseburger from McDonald's or peanut butter jelly sandwich, which one would you pick? Homemade peanut butter jelly sandwich or McDonald's cheeseburger, mcdonald's cheeseburger? You would pick a McDonald's cheeseburger, I like cheeseburgers better than peanut butter and jelly. But what if mom made you one and put one in the cooler? Which one would you pick? Peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 3:But what if?
Speaker 2:mom made you one and put one in the cooler. Which one would you pick? Peanut butter and jelly? I knew it. I knew it All right. Well, thanks, kenzie. Again, I had to ask that question Now. Do you eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?
Speaker 1:Not a lot. No, sir, I'm more of a peanut butter and honey.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's something about the jelly. I yeah, there's something about the jelly. It's just I don't know if it's the texture or the chemical makeup, I don't know what it is. It kind of throws me. So I like to just drizzle the honey over the peanut butter, personally.
Speaker 2:Okay, and a lot more peanut butter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, All right, all right All right.
Speaker 2:When you say outlaw, I think of music. Yeah, I think of music besides junior, yeah, who's?
Speaker 1:who's the original?
Speaker 2:man, I love merle haggard, that's funny how I love him.
Speaker 1:David allen cole. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like, I like to get gritty with it for sure.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right what's your take on this pop country, man? Because there's a lot of pop country out there and I'll be the first one to tell you I'm not a fan. Yeah, like tonight, yeah, not gonna be that much of a fan, but I'm going, yeah, I'm going more of the red dirt, but red dirt's going pop.
Speaker 1:Now I'm like, oh my goodness with the name ala echoes and with the tradition. My answer is probably gonna surprise you, but I love it. I'm good with it. I love music. If I like the way it sounds, I'm good with it. You know there's a lot of jason aldean, or there's even some luke r it sounds. I'm good with it. You know there's a lot of jason aldean, or there's even some luke ryan that I'm good with. Like there's some stuff that I'm okay with. I really am, if it makes me feel good, and I'm. I mean, I think morgan wallen's amazing. He put some trap beat behind some of his. That's fine, you know, that's fine. I love his lyrics, I love the way his music makes me feel. You know, I dance to it, I sing to it, like it. I can go from george jones to jason aldean. I really can. You know I can do that in one sitting, you know. So tonight, who do you feel pop country about tonight?
Speaker 2:cody johnson's not cody, that's a rodeo cowboy, but the others the others. Riley green, the right man, but he's a stud dude. There's not a lot of pop, so you are excited about tonight. But no, I was all, and neither is ian munson he's not pop country he's like wyoming it's that squeaky howly voice? I get it. Like trio, I get it my wife's like, absolutely not no ian munson, me and my daughter love him.
Speaker 1:But a little squeaky, a little high pitch, I get it. I get it. Yeah, that can turn some revival, my daughter.
Speaker 2:I took her to go see them. Yeah, and it's good, rock. She's like I listen to this because it's almost like dad rock. I'm like whoa, whoa, stop pump the brakes, kid, there's no way, right, no, right, no one's gonna be creed, you know what I mean sure tree oak revival is not like that, right, no man it's just.
Speaker 1:I mean, I even like some of that dumb southern rap concert. You know, uh, rap country like there.
Speaker 2:I just love music, love it so so me man, it has to stay true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean if you tell me what I'm, I'm putting hank jr on number one, yeah, number two and number three. Okay, that's, that's where I'm going to, and then I'm going alan jackson, I'm going cody john, so you know, zach top, I'm going traditional, like that's my number one, but I'm not gonna hate on anything else.
Speaker 2:I love it, I got you man, but I like a lot of people listen the lot of people do.
Speaker 1:You listen, dude, I'm a hater I did it and a lot of people are. I totally understand that and I respect that.
Speaker 2:But for me, you know, if I like the way it sounds and coming out to speakers, I'm good yeah, man, so I stay true, like later on this month I'm seeing red clay strays for the fourth time. Nice, I've seen them twice in vegas. Always go to vegas to see them. Yep, that's as many times they've been there you bet and I've seen them in spokane.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna see him in nampa. I'm gonna go see him in vegas again during the nfr yep. But that kind of stuff it has to have true meaning, like yeah, and and that's why I asked about outlaw. I'm not all about the partying, like, I'll do that on the side, but when I listen to music it has to have that feel. That for sure has to be you know, red clay strays. It has to be a little bit of tim mcgraw, because he always talking about his daughter. Yeah, you know what I mean I saw him last year yeah, he's changed a lot though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like the old, you bet the old. He played a lot of that yeah yeah, then I need to go see.
Speaker 1:We went to everybody. Last year we had larry fleet and parker mccullum and zap top and laney wilson and we saw everybody last year. It was a great year for music in the pacific northwest phenomenal is it true that laney's on a zoonific?
Speaker 2:I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 1:She's great, though. Her and he and munsey just came out with a song. It's fantastic kenzie and I were listening to it earlier today. Really good, I don't know if she is or not, but she's changed before I was like telling my wife I was like we gotta go.
Speaker 2:She's like no, I'm like, but for real I want to go like seriously now it's like she's like you want to go, I'm like no right, they flopped on y'all.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, right, right. Yeah, her and zach top were last year together and his first time playing a big show in washington. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:I like how professional zach is, I like how young he is and he's just sticking to tradition. He sure is, and there's a couple of people that are out there that do it, you know. But like emotion, you know.
Speaker 2:I like shane smith and the saints fantastic dude, you know stuff like that just outside of that if it goes boozing and drinking, I think the only song that I actually enjoy that is drinking is I love this bar by toby key. Yeah, yeah, and that's it for sure, and that's not really drinking you know that's telling the atmosphere, for sure, yeah yeah, yeah, outside of that, I hate that beer for horses I hate. Yeah, don't. I don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 1:Don't want to hear about sure you know, and I'm a big fan of chris jansen. I don't know if you know his music, but I've seen him three or four times in the last year and a half. He's fantastic. Okay, I'll check it out, check him out.
Speaker 2:I'll check it out. But also like the local stuff. Yeah, the smaller guys that are trying to make it Absolutely and that talk to you and shoot the breeze?
Speaker 1:yep, I do that, and that's what christian says yeah, he had kinsey and my, my son, up on stage last year singing with them. You know that's what you're talking about, kind of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, down home, get to know you feel he's like hey, come up here, you've been singing my songs the whole time brought her up and and uh, they sang with him and it was a really cool experience for him yeah, and I remember you know seeing red clay strays in a little you know freaking little music hall and now, dude, they're selling out for sure amphitheaters, something that you were doing.
Speaker 2:You're not selling amphitheaters but, like you know, just a quick growth, yeah, sure, quick growth, man, larger than life, yeah, yeah. Did you at first ever think it was gonna get this big? No I I didn't have an idea this big, but you know quick shot. Dude like oh my god yes and no.
Speaker 1:Yes because there was that opening of okay, there's not a lot of people doing this type of content. Yeah, but no, like you know, those are big numbers. Like a 125 000 in the mind is like that's a, that's a large number. Yeah, so you don't. You don't say what's going to happen in eight months, that's you know absolutely not. Like there could be some growth here and it could be steady growth and you know, you bring the right people in and they enjoy what we're doing and we can see some growth. That's kind of the mindset when you get started. But all of a sudden it's like, well, you wake up and 4 000 followers last night. Like what?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's all of a sudden, it's like this is actually going pretty big and has the capability to continue but when starting, when you thought of this baby no, okay, nope, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that it would be as heavy rodeo promotional as it was. It was just, let's throw some up some some western style content and see where this goes. I got you know, me and my son. Let's just let's see what. Let's see what happens here, yeah. And then, like said, we went to Montana, I was like, wait, maybe our niche is going to be these rodeo highlights, promoting of rodeo individuals and of rodeos themselves. Professional, too Professional, and we love it. Not grainy, yeah, no, because I used to edit a lot of videos of my sons playing basketball and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:So I took that mindset to okay with rodeo highlights okay, you know, kenzie, you ever think you were gonna get this big. Yeah, right, do you like it? Yeah, do you like telling people about it at school? Yeah, what's I mean? Like, how do you tell people? Do you tell?
Speaker 1:them like yeah, you tell anybody about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they do. It's crazy how these kids just promote us, man, but we're, like you know, not self-deprecating, but like, oh, we do this, but then they're like yeah, my dad does a podcast, or yeah, my dad does and I try not to with the kids I try to make.
Speaker 1:Hey, this is about the contestants that we're promoting. Yeah, this isn't about us, it's not about our page. We got merch, you know. We got hats and hoodies and shirts that we sell and it's cool to see people wearing them, whatnot but it's not about the outlaw echoes. It's literally just a platform to promote other people, and so that's why I like to talk to the kids about hey, you know, we're not about. Oh, we got these followers, we got this that it's not it's, it's about you know.
Speaker 1:We got an opportunity to showcase this amazing situation that we're going to be involved in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean, and I think a lot of people see that too. Like you don't have to put yourself out there, people see you anyways. Yeah, I mean it's crazy Like I, I all go in a place and they're like oh, that's like cool, it's just a dude man, I just want to have fun.
Speaker 1:I just it's funny you say that because that was one of the reasons that my son and I started to go out in front as well, because when we show up behind the shoots, I want them to be like oh, it's outlaw, echoes, cool, let's, let's. Let's put a show on, let's put it, let's put the best ride on, let's get after it. As opposed to, who's this dude? Yeah, you know what I mean. And so if they see us, oh, they're coming to this rodeo. This is what they look like. Oh, that's them cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have our, our shirts and whatnot, so you should be able to kind of recognize that. But if you can kind of face recognition when we show up at the rodeo, yeah, you're going to be more comfortable and in your element and we can get better shots, better footage of you relaxed and comfortable, because you know who we are. We've got a relationship. Oh, it's out like we're good with them, we know them. So that was one of the main reasons for getting in front of the camera a little bit as well is so that the people that we go to shoot they know who we are when we show up. Yeah, you know, and and it's. It's more of a a relaxed situation for them. It's like, who's this guy sticking this camera a foot from my face as I'm about to strap onto this fire breathing dragon? You know, like, dude, get the camera. It's not like, that's like okay, yeah, let's get this shot, let's get this shot. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:you ever hang out afterwards, you bet man that's as raw as it can get great time like to when they clean up. You know they under you know undress, but like get the tape unwrapped and everything else, get the chaps off and then afterwards you know, you shoot the breeze with them with with the soda you bet.
Speaker 1:And they're still riding the adrenaline. They're still riding the adrenaline, you know, and they're shaking and they're hyped up.
Speaker 2:That's a different feel it is.
Speaker 1:That's one of the best feelings, that's what I like to do and we feel that. You know we're in the truck driving home pumping the music hyped up. Yeah, you see that ride, you get that video. It's pretty cool, but it's the whole atmosphere. We were up at Cedar Woolly on the 3rd and we went out with Ace's Wild Rodeo. You know that's Mark and Lynette McMillan. They put on, all you know, 15 different rodeos in the rodeo world. They're phenomenal people. They've gotten bigger. Incredible people. They've gotten huge, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Especially over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1:We went clamming with them at Cedar Woolly in the morning. We all went out clamming and got oysters. Dougie was there, jc was there and it was like a family feel. We all just went out there and got these clams and then after the rodeo that night we went over to charlie barker's trailer and they had this big clam bake and they had the oysters and they had the bread and we all just hung out and talked about the rodeo and ate. So it's just a the. The culture and the atmosphere is. It's a family feel and it's incredible, and so it's exactly what you're talking. Yeah, they're hanging out afterwards, hanging out before, like it's not just those eight seconds when they're riding it, it's all of that. The main reason I'm doing this is to have my children in that atmosphere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got you. That's it.
Speaker 1:That's what it's about the greatest atmosphere is, you can bring kids up.
Speaker 2:The best, absolutely, because they have morals.
Speaker 3:For sure, majority of them have morals, absolutely.
Speaker 2:They're very respectful.
Speaker 1:Even if they're raising hell and cutting loose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's time and place.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Time and place. It's still respectful. It's still good people at heart. You know what I mean, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Who's the most up and coming? That catches you.
Speaker 1:We've got a couple that you know we're really heavily promoting and you know going to wear the patch and put the Outlaw Echoes brand on.
Speaker 1:and you know, mason Stoller in the barebacks yeah, we've been hyping him up a lot because he's out there crushing it and that's going to be, in our opinion, that's going to be a multi-NFR cowboy right there. The way he spurs, his mindset, his attitude, his zest for life, the way he loves it, the way he loves being out there on the road, and his humility, he has everything that the brand represents and he has everything it takes to be. You know, I think one of the top end Cowboys in bareback is phenomenal. Mason Stoller is going to be going to be the guy, and then and then Lane Vaughn, who you've had on the podcast.
Speaker 2:He's already been on it. He's up there. Dude, You've launched his career. That guy's nothing without you.
Speaker 1:And no, he's, uh, he's on, you know, on the bulls. That's the other one that we have a relationship with that we try to promote as much as possible, because that's another kid, that's just a phenomenal young man who's going to be in the nfr multiple times. You can put a stamp on that.
Speaker 2:He's, he's most unorthodox writer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because of his height, yep and he's kind of got that clay guy and that pbr and long lanky kind of a yeah you know what I mean for sure, you said it, not anybody.
Speaker 2:He's lanky man, but he's strong as hell he knows it absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yep, and you ever. And the way he controls his body like you watch him ride a bull, it's like this dude is control. He's controlling a 2 000 pound animal with finesse. You're never gonna you know out strength or out muscle a bull, but the way he's finessing it and his balance, it's incredible to watch lane ride.
Speaker 2:It really is yeah, yeah, you ever see him afterwards.
Speaker 2:Fantastic, you say ever you ever see him before yeah, absolutely having a great time loving life, bro, it's phenomenal you can tell the people that are with it and are not and I'm putting lane on, I put lane on before, like you know, put on blast, but I'm not saying anything bad. Yeah, he has his way Yep, he owns it, yep, and he conquers it Absolutely. You can tell people, if they're in with him, in with Flynn, they'll go along with it. But then the people that aren't doing it, they separate themselves.
Speaker 1:For sure Lane just has a good old time. He's what he has to do to get himself focused in his own way, absolutely. Yeah, man, lane, lane's, lane's a good kid, but I think those are, those are two that I think are are, you know, definitely up and comers, you know.
Speaker 2:I like, I like what he's done especially for him and his name. A lot of them they leave. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, but it's like gosh, why did you have to leave? But I did it, I did it, you know. But he comes back and yeah, eventually he'll he'll, he'll go down there and stay down there.
Speaker 1:You know. I mean he was up at, you know, grand coulee. We got a great video of him up there, like he's still around, you know. And then you got guys who aren't from the circuit, like you know, from the area you come in the circuit. You know ty harris and mike mcginn from montana and the steer wrestler and you know. So you get guys popping in and out. I think the good rich kids, gator and Josie, are definitely up-and-comers from a roping family. Them some roping son of guns right there. I think they're both going to be huge. We got some serious talent in the area that are going to go far, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:When's your next rodeo? Not today.
Speaker 1:No, we got Lake Chelan next week.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The 18th and 19th of July and the 18th and 19th of July. And then about a week later we're doing Stateline Idaho. For the first time ever it's a Stateline racetrack. They wanted to do a rodeo and Mark McMillan's tight with them and said hey, we'll bring our show on the road and we'll set it up there. So it's the first time ever. So that's going to be really cool, really excited about that one. And then we're taking some August off and just doing some traveling.
Speaker 1:We're just going to go be a fan at Ellensburg hang out for the weekend see the parade, watch the rodeo, just hang out with the family, and my parents like to go there, so we'll bring them along with us, and so it's just more spectator-type stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's prime, though August is prime dude. I don't know how you're taking it off.
Speaker 1:I mean we'll pop in, we'll probably do Clalum and Enumclaw and we'll do some local stuff, maybe get out to the OMAX Stampede. But as far as contracted rodeos and we're open, if Summer Rodeo reaches out and says, hey, we want you out there this weekend and we got a little bit of donation money to get you there, we'll go.
Speaker 2:Pretty sure as far as contracted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've had four or five, six that we're kind of in contract with, that are like, hey, come out and shoot this and promote us and help us, and you know we're more than happy to and we love it, you know. So we'll see what happens in August, but I get, we got a lot of family stuff already planned. It's going to be it's going to be hard to wedge anything else in there.
Speaker 2:Kids rodeos family stuff.
Speaker 1:She jumps her horse all the time so we chase her all around watching Kinsey.
Speaker 2:You're going to be a barrel racer, just stick with jumping. I'm not too sure yet. No, wow, it's open to anything right, yeah, you bet.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll see where that goes.
Speaker 2:All right, man. So how do you think this went? How do you feel?
Speaker 1:Anytime I get a chance to talk about rodeo and the promotion of it and the passion of video, I love it. I love it, you know. So I was looking forward to getting out and kind of getting, because there is a kind of an odd situation of outlaw I mean, oh, that's, you know, breaking the law and against it, and so you know, to be able to get out and and get that out and we have it posted on our page. You know, yeah, we've got, we've got it. You know the picture that says basically exactly what that outlaw to us is. But not a lot of people see they come on there and you know it says in today's society, outlaws are the ones saying sir and ma'am, the ones holding themselves accountable, uninfluenced by the mainstream. Living this way echoes out and changes the lives of those embrace it authentically. So that's on our, our page. But people don't read that. They go to watch the Bull highlights Closed-minded people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so to get the opportunity to come on and say here's what Outlaw Echoes means to us and here's what we're about and here's who we're trying to promote and why we're doing it. It's a phenomenal opportunity. I just you really appreciate it and embrace it, man.
Speaker 2:Along with your production. Does this fit in your production? Absolutely fit in your production.
Speaker 1:Absolutely the way this went for sure. Absolutely, I mean, we're sitting spot on again. I didn't know if we were going to talk about this. We're sitting in a motel six in pendleton, oregon. Absolutely, it's right on brand for outlaw echoes. Absolutely, you know. I mean this is, this is the grittiness, the dirt. I'm at my truck's out here, filthy with rodeo dirt all over it and that's just. You know, that's who we are all summer. Is that grittiness? So we're sitting, like I said, in a, in a hotel room, I'm sorry, motel room motel six.
Speaker 1:You know talking rodeo absolutely getting ready to go to a country concert like this is. This is absolutely on brand. So when you say, does this go along with what? We're about? 100 and I'm I'm excited to be a part of it. Man, I appreciate it so much and humbled by the opportunity, honestly, I'm honored that you wanted to sit down.
Speaker 2:I'm honored that wiley's pushing this, you bet you know I'm thankful of him, thankful of you, kenzie. Thank you for allowing me to interview you guys and you, you know, being the champ that you are and answering these hard, difficult questions, but pretty cool questions, right, see, see, absolutely see so, kenzie. See, see, absolutely See so, kenzie, you got anything to say? No, just let's get in the swim pool Right.
Speaker 1:Anything you want to add Dad. No, man, just appreciate it. You know, and if you're listening to this and you have not been to a rodeo, do it. There's nothing I can say more than absolutely just go check it out. You know the way the flag's honored, the way the prayer starts.
Speaker 1:There's nothing like it, just go there and say, well, I'm not going to be accepted. You will be accepted like absolutely, they're the most loving, accepting people there are and the the sport doesn't get enough positive promotion, yeah. And so any opportunity I get to say, get out to your local rodeo, like absolutely, go check this stuff out, you'll. You'll leave with a new love for the sport. I can almost guarantee it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yep, yep, yep, and I would like to add a lot of people blame or give the credit to Yellowstone.
Speaker 2:Sure, bs, yellowstone did not grow this sport. Right, you know what grew this sport, man? Man, I tell you he's gotten bigger than ever. Is the, the non-bs, the political yep, nonsense that's going around. They have stayed true, yep, stay true. And beginning to take names with that right, you know authenticity, and I think that's what and believe, to this day has grown that sport? For sure, and one of the big ones. They're the ones that said to COVID forget it, you bet and fought it and guess what? Dude, they're having skyrocketing numbers and it's grown Like. I don't want to bring that up. I remember last time I put COVID on, even mentioned that word, I got docked by Spotify and Apple. Man, yeah, do they do that?
Speaker 1:Sure, but I don't know now.
Speaker 2:Right, because now it's a farce. But we won't go there, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But I still believe the way they handled themselves in and outside of that yep era dude, it's made them bigger than ever no, I, I couldn't agree more the, the mindset, the steadfast and the authenticity, oh yeah, of the western lifestyle and, in particular, the, the rodeo community, yeah, and how welcoming they are. It's unbelievable, it's something like I've never seen before. And just to be a small part of that and, more importantly, a small part in promoting that and promoting the ideas, the lifestyle of the Western mindset and the rodeo mindset, the rodeo tradition, the flag, the prayer, the family, the sir ma'am, the kindness, it's just incredible to be a part of it and I'm honored by it. Yeah, so until next time, until next time. My man Can't wait, okay.
Speaker 2:I appreciate your big time. Thank you so much, Tor.
Speaker 1:Thanks, buddy Bye.