Miles & Mountains
Join Nick, a social worker and coach by day, as he unravels the inspiring stories of athletes and the public, uncovering the motivations behind their actions, from conquering mountains to participating in ultra-endurance races and competing in rodeos. Get ready for heartwarming tales of community support, acts of kindness, and the revelation that everyone has a deeper story to tell. Whether it's running, climbing, or participating in rodeos, these stories will inspire and uplift. #Running, #Climbing, #EverydayAthletes, #Rodeo
Miles & Mountains
DeShawna Joe: Embracing Heritage and Resilience in Ultra-Endurance Running
Discover the incredible journey of DeShawna Joe an ultra-endurance runner who balances her roles as a dedicated mother and a proud Native American woman. From her beginnings on the basketball courts of the Navajo Reservation to finding empowerment in the lonely miles of ultra-running, DeShawna’s story is one of resilience and cultural pride. Hear how she transitioned from the team sport dynamics of "Rez ball" to the personal victories and challenges of long-distance running, all while highlighting the significance of her Native heritage.
Explore the healing power of trail running as DeShawna shares her personal battles and the solace she found in the Utah running community during postpartum depression. Experience her journey through the demanding world of ultra-distance races, like the Cocodona ultramarathon, where the camaraderie of groups like the Trail Sisters and Women of Wasatch and the unwavering support of her husband played pivotal roles.
Finally, delve into touching stories of family, trauma, and the joy of nurturing young talent, whether in music or sports. DeShawna opens up about organizing a memorial race (Miles for Soraya 5k & 1 mile walk) and finding strength through grief, using running as a metaphor for life's challenges. The episode captures the essence of community support, the satisfaction of watching children pursue their passions, and the transformation that comes from channeling grief into purpose. Join us for an inspiring conversation that celebrates the resilience and determination found in the world of ultra-endurance running.
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Shauna Jo, how are you?
Speaker 2:Great to be here, great to be alive.
Speaker 1:It's an honor that you're here. Actually, you know, I've had some names on here and I get a little, you know, flustered and a little intimidated Not intimidated, but it's like a fanboy, you know, flustered and a little intimidated, not intimidated, but it's like I fanboy fan, you know, fan out. And this has been in the works for a bit. I know we tried before the year and I had some you know sickness and everything else. Got that taken care of and everything else Got that taken care of, kind of, but finally figured out what it was. And then my kids I mean it was, it was a couple reschedules and here you are and it's just like the day came and I'm like oh man, am I getting a headache? Oh man, is it just nerves and anxiety, nerves, anxiety. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is, deshauna, but it is crazy that you're on here and I am, I believe I'm nervous. Okay, I'm nervous because you're one heck of an athlete.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I am far from that. Oh my gosh, I am far from that. Whatever, whatever I mean, I'm just another person trying to make in this world?
Speaker 1:I don't know, but I just, I normally nobody like I say I okay, well, you're humble, but I'm nervous because you have a story and I want people to hear it. Not that you know, you're a mom and you do this, you do that, you are that and you are this. And here you are, you're a cast and we're going to talk shop. So you're an ultra endurance runner, a mom, what else?
Speaker 2:Oh um um, a native American woman. That's first of all like I'm a the net, the net woman of my people that uh, touchy me Well and that, oh, the net that she, any woman and I represent my tribe, first of all, my blood, I you know, that's who I represent, that's where I come from, not just a mom and an ultra runner. That's the first and foremost. And you know, I love to represent my people and my strength is where I get that from and I don't know how, why I'm here, but I am thankful to be here and you know I I'm just another person trying to begin this world. Basically, yes, yes in this world.
Speaker 1:Basically yes, yes, and I'm glad for that introduction because you know I've been following you for a bit. You know you are Native and everything else and you stand true to your Christian beliefs and so thank you. I couldn't have said that even any better. So I appreciate you with that intro Was running always in your life your life.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah. Running has been in my life for a very long time. Um, I started way back in elementary. Um, I ran my elementary years, my part of my junior high and I I also did my freshman and my sophomore year for running. The only reason why I did it is because of basketball and, you know, being on the reservation they have, they call it res ball and you have to learn how to play res ball in order to run with those fast kids. It's just basically throw down the ball down the court and whoever gets it you know, on the same team you grab it and you make it easy layup, basically. So basically catch and do a layup. You know, and I was always, you know, I was always that person trying to get that ball at the end of the court and make that easy layup. So, you know, and I just did cross country just for that ability to play play res ball.
Speaker 2:But and other than that, you know, I was like I love my air conditioning, yeah, yeah. So it was a good experience, you know, and I was forced to play because my mom was a teacher at the school and you know being, you know, growing up in a community where your mom and you know they're in the education level and, like a teacher, you have to have that kind of like kind of have a role with that. And it sucked because it was a lot of pressure and I had to, you know, stand up to those standards to be a good person and you know, to be a good person in the community and have good athleticism. And it was hard, it was, it was a hard thing, but I did it just to, but it was hard. It was a hard thing, but I did it just to, but it was fun. It was always fun, don't get me wrong. It was fun.
Speaker 1:What did you enjoy the most running or basketball?
Speaker 2:Oh well, back then it was basketball because I had my best friend, crystal, which she's now my pacer a lot for most of my big runs now, and you know it was always about friends and you know having a good time and you know just being together and just make it fun.
Speaker 2:You know basketball was always fun and just make it fun, basketball was always fun. But now, and getting older, I feel like doing this individual sport as running it's different. It's different compared to when you're young. You're in a team, you're so close to being in a team and you can blame whoever makes a mistake. But in running now you're older and you know you don't want to be blamed for anybody's mistake and it's an individual sport because it's everything your fallouts and whatever happens, your training, it's all on you, you carry it on your shoulders, you carry it within everything and you know you're the only one to blame through the sport. So and I fell in love with running, with that, and I was like you know what it's all you, shauna, you know if it's up to you, if you want it, go get it.
Speaker 1:If not, then so res ball, it is a thing right. It's not just hollywood stating you know basketball's on a plate on the reservation is is that sports? Basketball promoted more or less than most sports on the reservation?
Speaker 2:I think it's in the Navajo Reservation where I'm at. It's promoted more because that's the top sport they play there and it's kind of like a highlight when you're in the high school years and it's definitely somewhere you want to be at and want to do and it's like a showcase basically and you know, I've been there and state, state champions is where you want to be as far as, like um, within the res ball area with within the now a nation.
Speaker 1:so yeah, why is it the place to be when in high school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it kind of puts you on a pedestal for a minute. There, you know, and you know, you kind of like put out your talent there, you want to know it's a good recognition and it makes you feel good for like as an individual because you work hard to get there. You know, especially as a team, and you just want to be, you know, put out, just put it out there every day, every game, and work as hard as you can. And you know, that's how I was. I just wanted to put everything out there all the time. I just wanted to put everything out there all the time and you know. And then, after you're done and you want to sit down and it it makes your parents proud for you, you make them proud and where you're from and what you do. And I don't know that's how I thought, but I always did it for myself.
Speaker 1:I like that. I'm just glad it's not just Hollywood, you know, and it is true.
Speaker 2:It is true that Red Bull is a place called Rock Point, arizona, and we're like in the middle of nowhere and where our school isn't well known. We only have a good population of like oh my gosh, less than 200 or at least 100. And yeah, so I grew up in a place like that and you know from being in Rock Point going to a bigger 3A school which was Monty Valley High School, and it was like wow, you know you can do so much, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. How many people graduate in class if you stayed on the Reds?
Speaker 2:graduating class if you stayed on the reds um I would say like a good uh, my gosh, 75 the grade most, yeah, 75 to 50, yeah, not a lot 3a, 3a yeah, 3a, yes, 3a so that's how many people would have graduated. Yeah, yeah, okay yeah. So it's really hard to get out there. It's really hard.
Speaker 1:So you graduated high school? When did running come back in your life, or did it ever leave?
Speaker 2:Um, running came in my life. Uh, I, I, I've been through a lot. I can tell you that, um, I had my ups and downs, you know, before I had my kids and during my kids, and um, running came my life again. Um, I think, when I moved here in Utah, um, I said this before another podcast but I, um, I had, uh, my third, my third child at the time, ava. Uh, I met my husband. He was a trucker here, he works for Sierra England and um, at the time, I met him and we had my daughter, ava, which is now, which is she is now seven.
Speaker 2:And uh, um, during that time before I and after, I had really bad postpartum depression and you know, I, I guess I didn't know how to tolerate with it and I was. It was so different with my first two because my first two I was okay and I had my family around, but being so far away from the reservation, being so far away from my family, living in a remote area in Tremont and Logan, providence and North Ogden, it was like I didn't know what to do with myself. You know, I was so depressed. I needed my family and I needed their help. Nobody was around.
Speaker 2:So I start running. Nobody was around, so I start running. I started going up Mayland and hitting up cool water and you know the trails here in Ogden and I love, I fell in love with the trails. And you know, there was just something different about trail running in the community too, because they would invite you to these trail runs and I would go the community too because they would invite you to these trail runs and I would go and that's how kind of how I, how it kind of helped me with my depression through post-boredom and it really did help a lot. And just being out there, you know, having time for yourself and working on your body, you know, because you know, after having a baby you don't look good, no more.
Speaker 1:So yeah you just want to even for guys. Even for guys, I'm just saying it happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah. You had to put time in for yourself every day. You know you need to. You know, especially having kids, you're like, oh my gosh, like I can't be this person. You know I want to do better, you know so. So that's how trail running came across and I started, you know, getting to know more groups like um, the trail sisters, the woman of wasatch and just other trail community, the within the women group, so, which is really fun, and got to know a lot of good runners, and a lot of good elite runners too, that I follow here in utah.
Speaker 1:So and there's a lot of them. There's, oh my god, yeah they're.
Speaker 2:They are so badass and I'm just like, wow, I can never, ever be at their level. And it's like oh my. God. It's amazing what they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when did you find racing, especially at your level, your distance that you run, people don't know. If you guys don't know what she runs, she runs 250 miles. She's ran Cocodona, she runs 100 miles. So when did you know you had a thing for that distance?
Speaker 2:I knew this back in high school. I knew back in high school because I did 1600s and that was like four laps, I think, or six laps around the track, yeah, and it was insane because people would tell me you're crazy to run four laps, I think. Or six laps around the track, yeah, and it was insane because people would tell me you're crazy to run four laps around the track.
Speaker 1:They say that now too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I knew that because I knew my endurance was that high at the time and I said there's no way I'm a short distance runner Like I can't, my heart's going to burst, like basically Okay. And you know, I knew that back then and then I kind of used that you know that mentality in the future now. So I'm like you know what, if I can do that, maybe I'm born to do that, maybe because you know they have that so-called muscle memory.
Speaker 1:That is true, yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I'm like oh hey, you know, remember we did this back in 2002 or something, or you know, back in 2001 or something. Can we do it again? Can we bring it back?
Speaker 1:So the coach puts you two miler then yeah so.
Speaker 2:So now, um, I even still now like a 10k is so hard to do because the speed, yes, correct, yes, the speed and the pace is it hurts, it hurts, it hurts me and it's like this is so long, it's taking me forever just to finish so what?
Speaker 1:what is it? The? The 100 to 250 miler compared to 10k? Like why is it so much difficult? Yeah, why is it harder, mmm the 200 10k over the 200.
Speaker 2:Oh the 10k okay, it's just, you can feel everything, like you're, you can feel every step and you know here, every crunch in your knee and you're like, oh, like, oh, like, oh, my God, like. I can't believe that. I hear my crunch in my knees all the time and my back spazzing and it hurts, you know, it hurts more than a long run, a longer run, and it's like the intensity of finishing within a certain time period is like, no, like, no. Why am I doing this? No, you know, it's just some people say that the other way around though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people yeah, but for me it's different, everybody's different. You know I like my long, long runs, because you know you have to find a joy in it. The pain is not, I mean, it's temporary, basically everything. And so it's good, time will pass, it will pass, that's all I always say. Time's going to pass, it's just for a while, maybe one, two minutes, and let it pass.
Speaker 1:You know it'll go by and then that's what you were saying during Cocodona this past year yeah, yeah, yeah, you had a couple moments I did I did.
Speaker 2:Cocodona was oh my gosh, but oh my gosh, like I love that race so much and I just can't stand the heat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you doing it again this year.
Speaker 2:Oh no, not this year. It filled up so fast. After when I was done I was like, oh my gosh, everybody already filled it up, Like they didn't even give me time to even register or anything.
Speaker 1:And you're a finisher.
Speaker 2:They, they didn't give you priority oh no, and I I didn't even think about that, I was just like just thinking about recovering. You know, I wasn't thinking about doing another race or doing it again. But after I finally recovered I looked at the website again I was like, oh shoot, like it's already full, like oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:So how long did it take you to recover?
Speaker 2:um it took me a good two months two months to recover.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah so, yep, it was a very intense run and you know my, my, my hip flexors are messed up. My feet were okay, thank God, it was just my back and a lot of chafing. I chafed a lot with my pack, lot like with my pack, and you know, and hydration level, I did pretty good. Eating level um, I ate a lot of normal food. My husband was there, um beside me throughout the whole race and he was just like grilling, like for a lot of protein a lot of steaks.
Speaker 2:And he'll be like what are you craving? What do you want? Anything, you know, and I want it like buffalo wings dang okay yeah, I had pho and you know subway and I'm like I need this. I'm hungry, you know I'm gonna eat something good. I'm like I got tired of eating at the aid stations. I was like, oh, like I need some real food, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Shout out to your husband.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know he's a good person.
Speaker 1:Crew Crew member Crew. Family members are the best crew members yes, shout out to my crew, my Cocodona crew.
Speaker 2:You guys are awesome, woo yeah.
Speaker 1:And you do give him a shout out, you give him a lot of love on social media oh yeah yeah, you do. I like that, I like to see that. You know not too many. You know runners give their significant other a shout out until it's time, or their birthday or something you know. But you on the other hand, shout out.
Speaker 2:I love that man Kids shout out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, no one could tell.
Speaker 2:No one could tell, no one could tell, I feel like he saved my life. Honestly, like without him, like I probably wouldn't even be here and I give him everything and he does a lot for me and I don't need to work, he works for me. And you know he's like don't worry, I got you. And it's hard to find a companion like that these days, you know, especially you know living out here in a real world and especially doing ultra running too, and he's always trying to like do make me be a better person every day. And and because of him and I found my faith again through the Lord and it's, it's been amazing, life's been amazing, awesome, thankful for him.
Speaker 1:When prepping for a hundred plus mile or race right. How many miles do you get in a week?
Speaker 2:Um, I try to stay between 20 to 30 ish. I don't want to push myself I listen to my body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I at least I try to do at least three miles a day. And you know I I'm on weekends I pull, like I pull, try to do a lot of hurts. You know, get the elevation, get my lungs going my my heart. You know my thresh up higher on those elevations. And you know you have to listen to your body. You have to because if not you're going to break yourself and you're going to be sorry. And you know, especially doing these hundreds, and it's hard, it's hard on the body. You know, especially doing these hundreds, it's hard, it's hard on the body. You have to rest, hydrate and eat the right kind of food. Give time. It's being patient. It's being patient and doing the right thing for yourself because you want to make it to that starting line.
Speaker 2:You want to make it to the starting line. You want to feel good, you want to feel fresh as much as you. I don't know, I speak for myself. You know, I see a lot of people pushing it, pushing it, pushing it, and I'm like, wow, that's good for you, good for you, do it for you.
Speaker 1:But I do me.
Speaker 2:You know, and you know, I had a coach before and it was hard. It got hard because running wasn't fun no more. It kind of just put me in the ground and I was like I hate running, I hate running, I hate running so much and I hated it, like I didn't want to do training no more. You know, I hated that feeling you know, and you don't want to put yourself in that predicament. It's not. It shouldn't be that way. It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 1:So you're not the first, nor will I'm pretty sure you won't be the last, but it's. It's interesting that you said 20 to 30 miles. You know, uh, less is more to some a lot, not so much, but it's. I appreciate you being honest and and sharing 20 to 30 during you prepping for a race. Okay, so do you do you believe muscle memory is a thing and does help you in time of need? Yeah, I like how you said 20 to 30. That, that's. That's good, because I try to tell people less is more. Um, and, and I've had, you know, mike McKnight on, I've had the guy that ran barkley and won he strict regiment, less is more, and I couldn't believe he was saying it because all these influencers, all these people saying, hey, more is more, more is better, it's like you said you do you, so I glad you glad you shared that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause I I I mean I did a 250 so far and my body knows and knows the agony and knows the pain and knows it's just all mental. Basically it's all mental, a mental game out there, Cause your feet can take you anywhere If you know how to take care of your feet. It's about taking care of your feet, basically, yeah, and just eating the right food, you know, just keep eating, keep eating and just keep moving, moving, moving basically, and you'll get there. You'll get there. If you look forward, it's going to take forever, but if you look sideways, you're moving.
Speaker 2:Right, I gotcha, I gotcha ways you're moving, right I got you, I got you, I got you, and that's why you take a lot of pictures, landscape pictures, that's why you have to take pictures.
Speaker 1:Yes, you take a lot of landscape selfies and it's just like gosh, if I do that, my wife's like god, can you just get out of the picture, you know? Yeah but you know that's why I made that comment a couple, like a month ago. I was like geez, you make every picture great. I'm like I can't even do that.
Speaker 2:So I know you have to be in the moment, Enjoy the moment. You know you just have to.
Speaker 1:Well, you got a lot of great mountains over there, so Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I love those.
Speaker 1:Bare ones. These are are. I live in eastern washington so it's all desert, and then the trees are more west, so yeah it's. It's tough to get a great landscape shot, so wow, but you, you have my so when you're doing all these races and everything prepping, how do you balance life and getting your vert and mom and wife? How do you balance all?
Speaker 2:the above. You just have to do it like. You have to put time in it and just doing it, not talking about it. It's hard to get out there some days but I think my kids know and I tell my kids I need to put my run in and they know when I'm getting frustrated, they know when I'm kind of antsy or getting mad. My oldest would be like Mom, I think you need to go for a run. And that's usually when I would go for a run like a good three-miler or four-miler. And when I come home she's like Mom, are you feeling good now, do you feel better? I'm like, yes, I do.
Speaker 1:That's funny. It's cool to see that the you know, the family knows when we need to get a work in when we're struggling and everything else, and like we're antsy, we're a little miserable, a little, you know, just a little down in the dumps, and they're like you need to pick me up, go run. It's like all right, come back. You're like, oh hey how's it going? You're energetic, you know you're loving life, you're loving them. I mean, you don't stop loving them, but you're just a deaf.
Speaker 2:You're definitely a different person. Yes, yeah, you just didn't get all that frustration out and put it on the run. And man, it's like that cool air. When you feel it, you feel alive again. You're just like whoa. Like oh, like, okay, you feel it, you feel alive again. You're just like whoa like oh like, okay, it reminds you where you're at again. And when you get back in home into a nice warm house, you're like, oh, that felt good.
Speaker 1:Do you stick on a strict routine or you just go with the flow?
Speaker 2:I try to stick with a routine so I work out. I run almost every day except for Fridays. This is my rest day and I try to spend time with my kids on Fridays do like outing with them. Then on Saturday, through all the way up to Thursday, I try to put in some runs, and then Saturdays, all the way up to Thursday, I try to put in some runs, and then Saturdays are usually my long runs or my vert runs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you did some running in the snow yesterday correct?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that was so fun, that was so beautiful up there. Oh my gosh, running in the snow is so different than running on the the road or sidewalk or wherever yeah, do you.
Speaker 1:Do you go alone out there?
Speaker 2:um, yeah, I do, I go alone. Yeah, I, I do a lot of things alone. Sometimes I I add my my cousin sister lives in here, lay in me, her, I'll drag her out there and me and her we'll just go like up granular and I usually go at her pace. You know, I don't push her. Sometimes I would, but it's usually just the time, you know. This time on feet, basically it's not like how fast or how you know be at a certain pace or nothing.
Speaker 1:And I just follow her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so and we just take our time going up there and coming down. You know we it's good. You know when we take our time eating, hydrating and yeah, you know it's good sometimes. You just need that and those little things like that kind of helps you because you know, when you're doing a hundred milers 200, you're still going to be walking, no matter what some part at some. When you're doing these 100 milers 200, you're still going to be walking, no matter what some part some stage you're not going to be running at a eight pace, eight minute per mile pace, no way so so time on fee, taking care of your fee, as you said.
Speaker 1:How many shoes and how many socks pairs of socks did you go through during Cocodona?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I went through you know what? I had to buy two extra pairs of shoes. Really, yeah, my shoes that I brought to Cocodona. They were so tight on me, my foot swell, it swells so big, like after the second day. And then I told my husband I can't fit into my shoes no more and he went to the nearest running store in Sedona. He brought two pairs of Hoka shoes there and they were size close to I think they were size 11 in women's. It was insane and I could finally like put my feet in those shoes and man, I was running good after that Cause with the shoes I had that I brought. They were too tight on me, my, my body swell, my leg swell, my foot swell, my body swell, my leg swell, my foot swell. Everything was swollen and it was all that water weight and it was insane, like I never experienced anything like that.
Speaker 1:But now I know you know, to double up on my sizes on these next runs in the future. Okay, good to know, good to know how many pairs of socks.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it was a good experience and you know I I'm looking forward to what happens in the future with my feet again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your feet did pretty well during that. What was your regimen then? Like, what did you do? How I? I mean, did you use squirrel nut butter? Did you make sure you you know you greased them up? Socks, what like?
Speaker 2:um, I did a lot of um, what is it called? Um, leg compressions, the boots yeah, I, every time I um would be done with, like, when I meet my crew at every station, I just put my legs right in the boots and they went and eliminated a lot of those, the water or whatever. Oh, wow, yeah, it just compresses your legs and you know it's like a lifesaver for me. You know it's it's like a lifesaver for me. So I've been doing that almost like every day now with those compression legs and it's been helping me a lot.
Speaker 2:Like the pain, the recovery on all my runs is less, less painful. So, yeah, I, it's, it's so much needed. Cause, man, I feel like. You know I there's several times where I feel like I. In the snow yesterday I sprained my ankle, but my ankle was okay and I was like, wow, like, and then I put my when I was done training. I go home and I just lay in bed and drink a bunch of water and then put my legs in the boots and they just compressed my legs throughout like three times, which is like 60 minutes. So at least good three hours.
Speaker 1:So and I felt brand new again. Game changer for all runners, huh, compression yeah, the boot that what is the?
Speaker 2:call the nordic the nordic yeah yeah nordic leg compressions. Yeah so, and they had those at cocodona too. That's where I discovered it, like I believe it was, uh, right before one of one aid station was on top of a big old heel. I don't remember, it was a blur, but I just put my legs through those and, man, I felt so brand new after that and I was like, let's go, let's do this.
Speaker 1:Nice, what was your aid station time, the time that you stayed there and, you know, just replenished aids. What was the your average time at aid station?
Speaker 2:Ooh, um, I believe. Uh, one aid station. I spent a whole, at least a good four hours. I slept for two hours there.
Speaker 1:I don't remember where it was, but it wasn't it like around one 20 to one 50, something like that? There there was a. You were struggling, but you were on the struggle bus around that time. As I like to say, you know the struggle bus you were, yeah, you were struggling around 120 to 150, I believe and so that's why?
Speaker 2:I asked like what was your average time that that mingus, that mingus heel was rough for me one night. So get this. Before we hit Mingus Mountain, my husband volunteered to be my pacer and he was my pacer for a good. I would say 14, 12 miles and man it was bad.
Speaker 1:Were you worried about?
Speaker 2:him no, no, no, no. We were butting heads all the way, Like literally, like I, we were just arguing, arguing, arguing, and it was so bad and I was, I was being a big baby, basically.
Speaker 2:And we got to the top of the Mingus mountain and I was so tired I couldn't even walk no more and I was, I kept falling asleep and I was walking like sleepwalking and I kept following him and we got to the top of the mountain. It was really windy up there and I told him I have to rest and we laid down and I had my space blanket oh, those things are so comfortable, that space blanket and then I rolled up in it and then he rolled up beside me and we slept for almost a good 15 minutes. But it was so nice because we're on Mingus Mountain and we can see all the stars and everything. It was like in a romantic thing and we were both like, oh, I think we kicked off a bucket list. That's cool.
Speaker 2:And a time of distress and agony.
Speaker 1:You made it look like it's so beautiful, like those beautiful landscapes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so beautiful and we got through it, though Definitely those moments push you through and you're just like man. I can't believe we went through that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's cool. I didn't know your husband went out there with you. Does he go on runs with you a lot?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, he's been going on runs with me a lot and sometimes he'll be like let's go, you know you need to train, you have this, you have this race, or he'll call me and be like you need to get out there, like you need to get moving, like I know, I know and you know he's definitely a good motivator yeah, that's awesome right, with him motivating you, what keeps you going?
Speaker 1:I know a lot of things have happened in your life. You know, with me I have the C word, I'm doing my best to get out and, you know, fight it and conquer it. But I always find my reason and why and I have to what makes you go out every day and conquer it?
Speaker 2:um, I think it's just my kids. You know it all. It always goes back to my kids because I I want them to know, um, you know I'm gonna be 40 this year, so and I tell them you know I need you guys to be at my level at my age and you know I need you guys to be moving when I get to 40. I want you guys to do what I do too, and I want them to see it, and especially in their flesh mode and you know, as their mom, you know especially my girls and you know they're like my prize positions and I need them. I need their data motivate me every day and without them I don't know what else I would do do they do sports um, not at the moment, but you know I don't push them.
Speaker 2:They do a lot of. They play instruments. My oldest plays. She plays the flute, she's learning how to play flute and now she's learning how to play piano. And so you know I try not to push them. But my second one, ava, she sees me and she's like Mom, I want to do it, I want to try it. So I kind of let her go on my runs with me and and I can see a lot in her doing a lot of trail running in the future.
Speaker 1:So Okay, so she can hang, she can. She can hang with mom, yeah.
Speaker 2:She wants to get more into it. And you know she falls. I see her fall and she scrapes her hand and she gets up and I I'm like, yeah, you know this is what happens. It happens, you fall. You know you gotta get up, you know you gotta keep going. It's just part of it and it's a learning experience for her and it's it. It hurts, but to see it especially as your own, but it's like, wow, you know she wants. Okay, this is part of the game, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you got to tell her I still fall at 32 or, you know, 44. Right, yeah, yeah. So you're still going to fall. It's just how you get back up and you know charge.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's just how you go at it again.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Every day. You know charges. Yep, it's just how you go at it again yep every day. How old is she? She is seven. She just turned seven on january night, yeah, sounds like my six-year-old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not pushing anything on her, but I can tell she's the runner of the the household besides dad.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we can co-captain on those two.
Speaker 1:Huh, yeah, yeah so you think cross country and track is in the future?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, definitely. I see a lot of potential in here and I'm just like, oh my gosh, what? What did I start? What's gonna happen here?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's awesome. Any one mile races coming up or 5k's coming up that you're willing to sign her up um, probably, yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll see how it goes and get her heart going.
Speaker 1:We'll see how it goes get a little taste of the little hardware that they get, or ribbons or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, she did really good. I did a run for my daughter and my late daughter. The run it was a memorial run we did for her back in September and she wanted to do it, so she did it and she finished it.
Speaker 2:And she's like, wow. And she's I told her that it's what happens when you do race you have to go after it. And she's like, oh, okay, mom, Okay, You're going to keep that race going and, you know, trying to help other people out there. And it's hard, you know it's hard, but it's hard to put on a race and being our first time doing some kind of you know, race directing like that.
Speaker 1:It was a good experience. Yeah, race director, in the intro too. Late intro, guys. Race director. Late intro. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a new beginning and you know I need to um learn more about it basically. So it's hard, it's really hard. There's nothing easy to being a race director. I noticed and I found that out.
Speaker 1:So yeah, see how it goes I heard race directing is almost as bad as running. Oh and stressful.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:It takes a kick. Okay, all right. Did you have a big turnout on your first annual?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did. We had close to 150 people participants.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was good, they'll start getting more. They'll start getting more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, next year I'm hoping to have it out here in ogden or somewhere. You know they definitely a lot of people reached out to help me to do a race out here for her. But it was just a lot and you know it definitely it's. It's a lot of planning to do, basically a lot of planning and especially getting permits and everything you know, getting the right people involved and not to make it too big. It's hard, it's really hard to get the right people involved and trusting the right people too.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, ran a 12 hour this past year and the race director messed up on a permit so we had to get kicked off. The cops called and everything else. I was like oh well I run that race.
Speaker 1:but yeah, it's, yeah, it's tough, it's tough. I don't know how people do it, but they do it If I'm pretty sure. If a buddy of mine, jason Rutherford, he runs one of the biggest, uh, he directs one of the biggest runs in eastern washington, right here where we live. I mean, if he hears this I'm pretty sure he'll uh um love to help you out and yeah I told him about you yesterday.
Speaker 1:I ran into him yesterday and I was like, yeah, man, I'm having this one, this one runner on you probably know her and I showed him. He's like I don't know. But I'm like, dude, she has a story, she's gonna say it and so, pretty sure, if he's gonna listen, if he's listening, he's gonna tune in and message you definitely all the help.
Speaker 2:yes, thank you, I would really appreciate that.
Speaker 1:And I normally yeah, I normally stick with race directors. So I that's how I get my races going. I just stick with the race directors that I enjoy and trust and everything else.
Speaker 2:So he's one of them.
Speaker 1:He's one of them.
Speaker 2:So it's really hard to meet those genuine people out there especially.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, I'm glad you say that, because it is tough it is. It is tough to to see through it. You know to see through a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was hiking up Maylands yesterday and I went up with one of my great friends. We were talking and we were talking about how the mountain, just, you know, kind of pulls out the genuine and the just pulls out the respect out of you. You know, the right people, and it always has the right people on the mountain. And it was crazy because you said that too, because we're like, wow, you know, it's really hard to meet those right people and the mountain usually encounters all that and it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah.
Speaker 1:It humbles you too, Because mother nature and the mountain, it always wins. There's no way around it. Yes, you can conquer it, but you know, when it's time she'll allow you to conquer it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's so true. It brings the best out.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, distracted driving distracted driving um it's a big.
Speaker 2:It's a big thing with me because my daughter was 16. On September 5th my life changed completely and to the worst. I lost my 16-year-old daughter to a distracted driver and she was run over by a dump truck driver coming on her way home while she was riding her bike and she had her headphones on and she was driving on the opposite lane from the incoming traffic and it was like six, I think five, between 5 am to 6 pm or 6 am sorry, september 5th and she got run over and it was the worst day of my life and you know, you always remember like it was yesterday and you know.
Speaker 2:I remember the cops coming down banging on my door and my husband answering the door and I was laying there on bed and I remember I pushed my husband and I said somebody's knocking on the door and he's like what. He just jumped up and went downstairs, opened the door and they told him like they told him first that your wife passed away and he's like what. I was like laying there touching my body. I was like, oh my gosh, am I dead? And it's a surreal moment like hearing those words. And it was like, am I really gone? And then that's when I jumped up, I ran downstairs. I said I'm right here. And they're like, oh, okay. Then they're like, okay, sorry, let's back this up. And they're like, okay, know, let's back this up. And they're like okay, did your daughter have airpods? I said yeah, because my airpods, my name was engraved on it, that's how they identified her. And so that's when they told me your daughter deceased or she passed away this morning. And I was like Like, are you serious? And that's when I said I can't believe it, like it was just so real that you know, it happened so instant. And it was her.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, my dad entered and he was just screaming and I never heard my dad scream before. I never heard my dad scream before. I never heard my mom scream that loud. I was like, wow, what do we do now? What happens now? You don't prepare yourself for these times or these moments, especially doing a funeral for a 16-year-old. It was just mind mind blowing. Like there's no handbook on this type of lifestyle and it's a very bad, taboo thing in our tradition as Navajos. You know we're not supposed to talk about it, we're not supposed to like give out details or whatever. But you know I I don't think for me. You know you have to talk about these things to heal from it and to you know, to let people know that it happened. You know it happened because this is the life we live. You know we're not all going to and but yeah, you've documented that and it.
Speaker 1:I could only imagine the way you you're talking about it. I'm surprised you're able to talk about it. I have three girls myself and just knowing that you lost your oldest, and knowing what, possibly what you went through, how you documented it, almost it felt like a dream for us to see what you put on Instagram. You know social media and then it was just. It was surreal for us. So I couldn't imagine what you're going through. I mean just speechless, okay, speechless and and and. The fact that you documented and continue to document it and talk about her and and run in her memory, always mention her, it's like wow, you know it. It's it's lovely to know that her name still lives within you. You know and you do the things not just for her, but for you too, and whatnot.
Speaker 1:But the documentation that you put is very, very nice and lovely and for an outsider looking in it was it's pretty cool to know that people can do what you do, you know and you do it best, you do it best. I that's what I would say.
Speaker 1:Like me being a guy, I don't know how to say that kind of stuff, but you, you put things in perspective and yeah we were living with you or alongside you and and you allowed us to do it, and you're a strong person to do that- so thank you, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was a numbing stage and you know that numbness turned to me running more and me trying to equal to the pain of that level you know, of being so heartbroken and being, you know, trying to live in those moments and just it was. It was really hard. Yeah, it was really hard, but you know, I just, I just it's still hard.
Speaker 2:It is still hard. Yeah, every day it feels like it gets harder. I just still hard. It is still hard. Yeah, every day it feels like it gets harder. Every day gets harder, because in my mind I'm thinking like she should be here, you know she should be here.
Speaker 1:This is not something runs. You know what you have on Instagram. I mean, I'm just saying like she's always there with you and you allow us to be with you there, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:With those passages that you put on, with what you say, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's just lovely to see how she still lives with within the family, with you yeah what you do so definitely, and you know I I could be another person, being just, you know, be depressed and try and take my own life or whatever, but you know I don't want to be that person. You can choose from it. You can choose a way to live the right way and, you know, talk about it and heal with it and be a better person. And you know, because, like I said, like you know, we're all not going to be here one day and I'm trying to help other people that are going through it too, that lost their child, because you know there's more and there's more to there's more to it. And it sucks to say I hate those words when they say it was god's plan. You know I hate those words I hate that too and and it.
Speaker 2:It sucks, but it is, you know, and it's like you can't change it, you can't go back. You can't go back and bring her back. You know you just have to live with it and grow with it and heal with it. And you know how can you be a better person with, especially me, a native american? You know, you have to, just, you know, be a better person and be stronger every day, and and you are.
Speaker 1:I'm just telling you. I was going to say before you said that it has made you a stronger person. Yeah, for you to to be, you know, allow yourself to talk about this right now makes it unbelievable that you can, you know, talk about her right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, talk about her right now. Yeah, and you know, ultra running has really definitely defined all that with me, especially. You know, being strong and one step at a time. And climbing that mountain, like yesterday, man, it was so intense and I could feel her presence and, jesus, it hurts. It hurts like it's like you just want to give up. You know, you're just like I can't do this, no more, I can't like why am I doing this? Why am I here? You question yourself every day and when you're walking up that mountain, it hurts and you're just like I can't do this. But you have to, you have to, you haven't. I had no choice. You know, I wasn't given a choice and I just have to live with it and carry myself on. That's all you have to do every day. I guess you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And after Cocodona, what other races did you have?
Speaker 2:Um, I have a roof bar run up for air. Um, I'm doing a yeah, that's gonna be here in a granular. I'm doing a six hour one and beginning of february, the seventh, I believe the seventh and the eighth yeah, I'm doing a six hour one and yeah, and then after that I'm doing another roof run up for air with the Maylands. It's a 16 hour, no, 12 hour, 12 hour race with Maylands. So, and I believe that you know we, we need to, we need better air here in Salt Lake with the inversion and everything you know it's really bad out here. So I try to help out within a lot of be part of a lot of good communities, within that help, within anything you know, just to be there and donate to them.
Speaker 1:I asked about the races because I know for a fact she will be there with you, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, always be there with you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Always be there with you and you know, quite frankly, I will always enjoy reading your posts, your stories that have her in it, and that's why yes, yes, yes I really do enjoy those, those moments that you post on there.
Speaker 2:Yes, like oh my gosh, I truly believe she's my angel. You know, like I don't know where I go or what time or the place I'm at and it's like boom, like there'll be a heart, rock or rainbows or feathers, or you know angelic numbers. I'm just like what in the world? Or it's so crazy, it's, it's amazing, and it's like like those are the only thing that really uplift me. Like oh, okay, she's here.
Speaker 1:Like oh my gosh I'm getting what you're putting down.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, and but other than that, I do have a lot more other races, but I I try not to talk about them because I don't want to jinx myself.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, totally understand what. What's your biggest race, though? Biggest meaning miles wise, most miles this year.
Speaker 2:I'm doing it. I'm doing a Monster 300.
Speaker 1:You're doing a 300? Mike McKnight yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I know I'm too crazy. I need to put my craziness somewhere.
Speaker 1:My life is just too crazy and I just think something to you'll get if you did grind in you'll, you'll, you'll get it, and hopefully they have the same kind of. You know, we can track you and find out yeah, not so much the split, but where you're at and how you're doing, and we could read it in between the lines, like I did with you and everybody else that I follow so yeah, hopefully they have that tracking system there speaking of that, my tracker in cocodona was was not accurate like I heard some parts I was like way behind, but I was actually up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was, it was off. There was a little uh glitch, yeah, yeah, so hopefully it's like that this time again.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping you don't want to know where I'm at. I don't want you to know yeah, when is that race?
Speaker 2:um, it's beginning of april, yeah, the first week of april, yeah, so come quick, oh yeah. Yeah, it's coming in fast. That's why I have these two uh training races to work with and my vert and stuff. So it's gonna be intense training and I do have a lot of support from my family and you know just certain people I I know that are gonna be there and I have my pacers in line and they're ready to go and they're working hard too and you know it's going to be fun. I'm just going to make it a fun time, fun moment, and just take it all in 300 miles.
Speaker 2:Fun guys.
Speaker 1:Fun, fun.
Speaker 2:A fun. 300 miles, yeah, so it'll be fun. You have to get the fun out of everything. You know you need to put some fun in there. You know you can't be too serious at everything, especially in life, and I. You know it has to be fun. Try running it's fun. Ultra running is fun. Running long it's fun.
Speaker 1:Climbing mountains is even better.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, mountains are even better. Yeah, getting up high, getting up high, there's nothing like it. There's nothing like it, I know, but I'm just kind of intense with the weather, like I'm just hoping it's going to be a little cooler, not too hot. Yeah, I'm just like, oh my gosh, but yeah, cocodona was intense. The first 30 miles, oh my gosh, that that first 30, 25 miles kicked my butt yeah, everybody says that. Hector rodriguez says that oh my gosh poor hector. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, I remember him for a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah have you done king's peak?
Speaker 2:I have not.
Speaker 1:No, okay, no that's a good training run really where's that located at? Uh, it's your neck of the woods, your, that's your guys's highest point.
Speaker 2:Uh, utah's highest point oh really yeah oh, okay, I heard okay, okay, kings, wait on the east side of us. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, definitely look into it.
Speaker 1:Well, with all this going out there, are you?
Speaker 2:well, let me know if you are going out there this year to do it yeah, we'll give me in the loop, we'll get a training room.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, for sure that that that's. That's my goal, just to do the western half of, uh, all the highest points. So because there's, I'm not going to go to indiana and do a hill, you know, yeah, so I decided to do all the Western States and do the high points. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1:That's fun On my list for the past five years and I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I'll be rooting for you. Yes, you'll get there. You'll get it.
Speaker 1:Thank you, especially since I have the c word that we won't talk about.
Speaker 2:but oh, I have to do something to keep my mind to keep my mind there, you know, but uh yeah, goals are good, goals are good when you're out and about.
Speaker 1:What's your go-to snack?
Speaker 2:oh my gosh um. My go-to snacks will be um potato chips okay, so you like the salt, the salty, the carbs.
Speaker 2:Okay yes, I like the saltiness I I I've been doing a lot of sweet but it's been irritating my teeth a lot so I'm trying to do some saltiness, some chips, and then I'll do like gummy worms, the sour gummy worms, and then I'll do scratch the um, the salt scratch is so good, okay, oh yeah, scratch and then just water, like just stream water, with my filter, okay, and a couple of goose, not too much so try to keep everything simple. Yeah, just keep it simple, basically Okay.
Speaker 1:Before we were on air, you mentioned peanut butter jelly sandwich. Oh God, I was shocked. Not a lot of people have a beer in hand, which you did um and then talk peanut butter jelly sandwich. So, since you mentioned first, since you mentioned that, what beer are you drinking? Roosters brewers okay, and they're the local local.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a local as an outdoor say.
Speaker 1:You can see that okay, yep, yep, aldo said a mexican launderer, okay what's the percentage? What's the percentage? Percentage it's a five percentage okay yeah shout out to roosters okay I haven't. I really haven't mentioned this question a lot, but people are gonna love it. So, peanut butter jelly sandwiches do you eat them? No, what? What's your besides potato chips? Okay, go for it, for it.
Speaker 2:I don't like peanut butter jelly. I've been trying them the past, trying to feel with them lately, and they get stuck up here like on top of my mouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I just can't. It's the best part, it's so hard to.
Speaker 1:Best part.
Speaker 2:The best. It's so hard to digest.
Speaker 1:I can't sorry, but I tried it with pickles a lot of people do okay pickles and yeah, end result still didn't like it.
Speaker 2:I like the pickle part and I like the raspberry jelly one. The the preserve, yeah. I rather have it with some real preserved jelly. But I used to until I went to jail. Do you mind Okay? It messes you up. See, I've been through a lot, so you know I've been through a lot, so you know you don't want to know about my past, I got you, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1:So, if it's not chips, what do you enjoy on an outing with family members, a long run or mountain hike?
Speaker 2:I like to do baby food, baby food, the little pouch, yeah, yeah, I'll do those. And then some Coke, ginger ale, and I think I've done a lot of those crushers, those nerds crushers. Oh, the clusters, the clusters, yeah, clusters, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you love your sweets. No wonder your teeth are I know, I know I I've been to the dental like twice this last year and oh, I had two yeah, and my husband's like you need to stay away from sweets like go go salt, go salt.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, I've been trying to go salt, so yeah, but beer definitely helps though did they?
Speaker 1:did they find that, uh, you grind your teeth or you clench your teeth yes, yes, so yeah, at night only yeah, thinking about everything in the world, correct?
Speaker 2:I know I was telling my best friend or my sister here. I was telling her I had a bad dream last night and I told her I had a dream while my teeth fell out.
Speaker 1:So my wife's a dental hygienist, right, and she says when that happens, when you dream of those of that, it means you have a lot of stress in your life.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was like that last week. Oh my gosh, like I took in two kids in that were homeless. You're just a great person.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I follow you, I'm glad I found you and I started following you and then then, when I found out that you know I'm kind of a good judge of character, right and once I found out that, who you are and how you are, I was like how can I just present to her that I would like for her to be on the podcast? And so I I did it and man, I'm so glad yeah so glad I did I so glad I did, and the the technical difficulties aside, you're just a wonderful person.
Speaker 1:Continue doing what you're doing okay and uh, don't stop, don't stop, don't stop doing what you're doing. I'm a huge fan. I always will be a fan Not as big as your husband and your kids and your family, but from far Eastern Washington, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Hopefully I can do some races out there once the babies are full time in school.
Speaker 1:One in particular you have to run Jason Rutherford's Badger Mountain Challenge.
Speaker 2:It's a big name.
Speaker 1:A lot of runners have done it Big name runners so if you get a chance, pretty sure he can give you a discount or something. How?
Speaker 2:many miles. Is that one oh?
Speaker 1:he has a hundred. He has uh, what is it? The 50 miler, 50k. You can do a 50 miler and a 50k one day and then the 50k the next. Yeah, oh, wow. Hey, he has 50 miler, ruck, 15k, ruck. Yeah, there's a lot of options, but the 100 miler, it's. It's very deceiving. People do it four times and still don't get the hundred. It's not guaranteed because of the terrain.
Speaker 2:So oh wow, but if you get a, chance. If you get a chance, let me know, let me know, yeah, it's crazy, I am probably I'll end up doing it soon or whenever I do have a lot of oh wow, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I definitely have still a lot of bucket lists on my list that I want to do, and you know, and I'm I just hope one day I'll get to compete in those races while I'm still here and that's all I want to do. You know, and just show my family, my community and my people that you know we can do it too, especially being made american. You know we can all do it and it's, it's possible. Anyone can do these races, anybody. If you just put the train in and put the mentality in place, and you can do it.
Speaker 2:You can do it yes and I believe that and it's. It's definitely hard, but it's fun. It's fun. I love it, especially the ultra running community. Man, it's a different level of love, it's a different level type of respect, and man, it's like let's go, let's do it, and they're just all in it and I think I love this sport more than ever and I don't know how I there's nothing like it yeah, there's nothing like it nothing like it when yesterday on maylands, you know, people were like, hey, family.
Speaker 2:And I was like, oh, like dang, that's, that's how it is. It is like. It is like that, like, yeah, you know, you want to hear that everywhere you get up the mountain they call you family, you know.
Speaker 1:You won't. You won't get that around here, but I'm glad you guys got it there.
Speaker 2:We're pretty tight up here and we all watch out for each other.
Speaker 1:So that's awesome.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So Des, so dashana, it's been over an hour. We can talk and talk. If you want anything I missed, anything you want to add, I definitely want you back on. I want you back. I do. Maybe after the 300, I want that 300 yes, I want that too.
Speaker 2:I want it so bad. I know I'm I've been dreaming about it a lot like it's, it's, it's there and I I know, I know I can do it, your dreams yeah, so that and the triple crown, I want all that okay I want it all and there's more to come.
Speaker 2:I want crazy melon again for the third time. I'm gonna get it. I really need it and you want it. I'm hungry for it. I'm hungry for more and I'm coming for all. Coming for it all, like I just I don't know, it's's going to take a lot, but I'll get there. You only live once, right.
Speaker 1:You're there, just give it time. Just I know, no, you got it. Don't stress too much, or you're going to still have those nightmares, those dreams. Yeah, remember it's the the stress in your life that's making you have those thoughts of losing your teeth.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I know, I was telling my sister that I was like what does that mean?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it means. My wife tells me that all the time, so it means you have a lot of stress in your life. So, deshauna, it's been a pleasure. I appreciate this conversation, I appreciate you, I appreciate your content and what you believe in and how you present yourself all around on the mountain, off the mountain, as a mom, as a runner, and it's an honor that you are on here. I want to continue this friendship outside and uh, see you grow as a person and uh whatnot. So, tashauna, it's been a pleasure, till next time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely. Thank you for putting me on and you know talking about my story. You know it's it's been a hard, hard life, but you know nothing. Life comes easy, so it's good to talk about it and I I just hope I inspire some people.
Speaker 1:I just hope I inspire some people.
Speaker 2:You inspire more than you think.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you. Thank you for your time, I appreciate everything.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Tashaun.
Speaker 2:Shout out to everybody in my life.
Speaker 1:Shout out, shout out to husband.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the kiddos.
Speaker 1:And the kiddos.
Speaker 2:And the kiddos and everybody, my family, yes, all right.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Tashana.
Speaker 2:Thank you, have a good one. We'll see you next time.