Miles & Mountains
Join Nick, a social worker and coach by day, as he unravels the inspiring stories of athletes and the public, uncovering the motivations behind their actions, from conquering mountains to participating in ultra-endurance races and competing in rodeos. Get ready for heartwarming tales of community support, acts of kindness, and the revelation that everyone has a deeper story to tell. Whether it's running, climbing, or participating in rodeos, these stories will inspire and uplift. #Running, #Climbing, #EverydayAthletes, #Rodeo
Miles & Mountains
Stephanie Inslee: Defying Limits in Running and Life
Stephanie Inslee, an inspiring athlete and coach, joins us to share her remarkable journey to trail running, culminating in an unexpected victory as the top female finisher in a recent race. We delve into her dual roles as a coach at a local middle school and as a dance instructor, discussing the pride she takes in nurturing young talent and her dreams of mentoring future Olympians. Stephanie’s story of dedication and passion offers valuable insights into the unique dynamics of the running community, as well as her own multifaceted involvement in athletics, from her figure skating and ballet background to her current coaching philosophy.
Listeners will be captivated by tales of how running can strengthen bonds, whether it’s through the camaraderie between partners supporting each other in grueling races or the personal growth experienced through embracing the sport. Our conversation highlights diverse approaches to running, from spontaneous challenges and non-traditional training methods to the profound mental health benefits. Stephanie and her husband Chuck’s transformative journey from casual runners to dedicated athletes reveals the power of setting ambitious goals and making healthier lifestyle choices.
This episode is a testament to running as a tool for personal integrity and growth, offering something for everyone, whether you're chasing a new PR or seeking inspiration in your own running journey.
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Stephanie Ensley how are you?
Speaker 2:I am good, how are you?
Speaker 1:Pretty good. It's great to have you here One of the Insleys anyways because you know, normally when there's one Inslee there's another, but in this case the other Inslee is somewhere else he's actually working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that we did do our lunch run, yeah.
Speaker 1:Good, you guys get that in. You guys have to get those runs in. And when I, when I'm out there and I run into you guys, you guys are out there. You know, when I'm out there, you guys are there. It's weird. It's like I can always, you know, count on seeing you two on the trail.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not so much on the road.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I started on road, but once.
Speaker 1:I got into trail. It's hard to go back to road, yeah, but you went on road the other day and you conquered it. Congrats by the way. First in your age group. Man it's like almost first in the whole damn race.
Speaker 2:I know Well it's like I was like I really want a place in my age group and I was worried. And I'm the kind of person who looks at the past results because I'm very competitive. And if I say to myself I got a place in my age group, I know I'm going to, because I've told myself I have to, there's something with me if I tell myself in my head I, I have to do it. Yeah, it's weird. So I knew I was gonna place in my age group. I didn't know I was gonna place overall, you know well, yeah that kind of shocked me.
Speaker 2:And when I came around the corner and the lady's like your first female, I was like no way. You know, like I couldn't believe it and I kept like kind of looking behind me to see, like I said, I'm super competitive and yeah, it kind of it kind of shocked me. I didn't think I was going to get first overall, but yeah, and it was what?
Speaker 1:34? And you're with the, the elite runners, the male runners, because a lot of the boys there are college and high school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were all like and you know what the best thing and I said this to Chuck the coolest thing was I went through the finish line and one of those like 17, 8-year-old guys. He high-fived me as I came across.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I thought that was so cool, because here I am 50-year-old woman and I get a high five from a team Like he knew, like dude you're keeping up with us and I was like that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, A lot of the local runners, especially the road runners. Road races are ran by local cross-country kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the number one reason why I don't run local, just because it'd be like oh, I beat your coach and I mean you know it's from another team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:My guys, they don't do that stuff. See one of my.
Speaker 2:I coach track and one of so this one of the girls that I was running up front with was one of my girls that I coached for track Okay so, track okay so. Um, you understand? Yeah, what team so I? I coach at libby middle school and I coach. I did everything. I started. They put me on hurdles. Yeah, do nothing about that and I learned that quick.
Speaker 2:I learned high jump, um, but my love is distance, so I ended up finally getting my distance after doing every other part except long jump okay and discus, because I I don't know anything about yeah, yeah so now I do the, but I see all my kids at a lot of these fast races that are a couple miles.
Speaker 1:They'll be there and stuff and and uh yeah, I get a lot of your kids that come from libby to yes, that's true, yeah yeah, good times. So that's good. That's good to know that I have somebody in Libby. Yeah, libby's, real quick Libby's. I guess distance program is more elite than any other middle school program in the district. I know there's a couple Kenwick ones that float into Kamiakon. They're elite but you guys are elite in Richland and that's pretty cool to know and see.
Speaker 2:We have a good team. We have a good, we have a good crew of coaches there too that have experience and they're. They're actually really like. I feel like they're more of a high school level at middle school.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like they're pushing them to a different level because middle school, you know it's. It's like some kids have never ran before, but you get a lot of them that have, and some of them are just absolutely every year. There's a couple that I'm like oh my God, this person might make it to the Olympics one day, and if they do, that'd be so cool. You know what I mean. You always think like that.
Speaker 1:Would I coach somebody who would end up in the Olympics, and it's definitely they stick out a lot different than the other middle school. You know they're more put together, they're more confident.
Speaker 2:They listen. They follow everything they want to. They want to do it.
Speaker 1:They're hungry. Yeah, that's the word, and you see it.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then you feed them, and then you're like okay.
Speaker 1:So shout out to Libby's team and shout out to you coach.
Speaker 2:That's cool, I didn't know that you were a coach out there, now I know. Now I know why it's put together. I coach soccer, too, at Enterprise, and then I coach I'm a dance coach now too. Yeah, yeah, you were talking about dance, so I want to talk about that you know.
Speaker 1:So are you a dancer yourself, or were, or what? How did that come?
Speaker 2:about I'm. Actually I used to be a figure skater, yeah. So I really love figure skating and I did ballet, so I and I do yoga and Pilates, so when you, you have that gracefulness and stuff. I've I've always danced but, like you know, in my twenties I would go out and dance for hours and hours and hours. Uh, my mom loved dancing, so it's kind kind of like I've always kind of done it, but it kind of fell to the wayside for a long time. But when they offered me the position, I was like I don't know how to choreograph, you know, but I think it's just something that it's like riding a bike. It kind of comes back If you've got it.
Speaker 1:You kind of got it, you know, and it's kind of like muscle memory. Yeah, when you're injured, you go back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1:But there's a little thing like up here, mentally Not the same, but it does turn up to be kind of up to par, but not really, you know. But that's what you're saying, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I mean I, I we learned it pretty quick and we had again we're lucky enough to at our school have, uh, dancers who have experience, we have gymnasts. So I like to be different. I don't like, I'm not the kind of person who likes to follow anything. So our routine this year was the complete. It was so different than everybody else's routine and it really stuck out and it was really cool. So I like to Okay.
Speaker 1:And they allowed you to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they give me good flexibility with it and I mean I have to be careful with certain things. Like I had to learn how to mix music, take words out of music and stuff like that. So I figured how to do the music part of it. Then we had to get the choreography and then you're like okay, is this acceptable?
Speaker 1:acceptable so it's learning, it's a learning thing over the years.
Speaker 2:But and it's fun I I don't know. I love, love coaching, but that comes back to like I love helping people, like I've always been like that like my job in the past. Um, I was a nutritionist at a fitness center in Arizona and it was like my dream job and basically I was the nutrition supervisor. I had two girls who worked with me and we worked in a women's fitness center and we had a nutrition department, which you don't really see nowadays like a separate nutrition department, and I helped many, many women lose weight and get in shape and get off medication and do all that, and I did that for a long time, so I was always.
Speaker 1:It just makes me I'd love to do things to make people yeah, better, you know, like helping, like that, and do you still do that or do you just?
Speaker 2:I don't. And what happened, was it? I have a very hard time with the people who have an excuse Gotcha. So what happens is, after doing it for so many years, it kind of gets like you have the people who are hungry, yeah, you feed them all the information and they are successful, and then you have a whole bunch of them more percent that have a lot of excuses, and after a long time it gets very frustrating. So it got to the point where I decided to focus on myself and use all my knowledge for me to make me better, instead of trying to make everybody else better. So I kind of took it and rolled with it, got away from that and just used it all on me and started my journey.
Speaker 1:Okay, and Jack of all trades right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I've got the nutrition background I went to college for that and then I have the fitness background, so I feel like having both of those helps tremendously with my running. I feel like I have all the tools. Yes you do, you know.
Speaker 1:And you have the best sidekick that anybody can ask for. Yes, you do, you know. And you have the best sidekick that anybody can ask for Both of you guys.
Speaker 2:Well, we feed off each other. We're both very, very competitive people and we're both very strong-minded people. So, like if he tells me, like yesterday, he's like we're going to McBee and we're going to do 12 miles, and I'm like in my head, I'm like I don't want to do that, yeah, and he's like, and then we go to sleep and we wake up and I have a million reasons why I don't want to do that and it's foggy and it's cold and it's rainy. And he just is like all right, you ready. And I'm like you know, and I and I get ready and stuff.
Speaker 2:And then, once I start climbing up there, I'm like I start to get that energy going and then I'm like, okay, okay, this is good and that's and I know that, I know it sucks in the beginning and you know I'm not the kind of person like people think I just wake up and like, oh, let's go run, this is great, no I have to, like, talk myself out the door.
Speaker 2:It's not easy. It's not like I want to go out, you know, but once I get out there, I could stay out there forever. And I know that, like you give me three miles, like Chuck always says, you'll say five, but I know it's going to be ten, because once I start going, I could go forever. Okay, but getting out the door it's not easy. Okay, it's not easy.
Speaker 1:So for the longest time when I did, you know Badger and other trail races that aren't out and backs, I always saw your guys' name and when I saw Chuck I always saw Stephanie or Stephanie's there, I see Chuck and everything else vice versa. But lately I've been seeing you guys and one of you guys are running one distance and supporting the other that goes longer and I think that's the coolest thing. It's like I'm jealous when I've been running into you guys outside of town for like hamster.
Speaker 2:Yes, I say it, hamster.
Speaker 1:And to know that you're going for 100 and Chuck was going for what? 24 hour right?
Speaker 2:You were 32. No, he did the 12. The 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he stood back and he crewed you and made sure you were taken care of. Kind of a jealous thing. But is it tough for you guys to do that? No, not at all. No, how did you guys manage that? Because normally you guys did the same distances for the longest time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And now, all of a sudden, sudden, you know he's crewing you. You're crewing him. I haven't seen you crew him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um we've talked about it for his uh badger mountain hundred coming up but I'm actually crewing another friend for the hundred. So I'm giving, I'm not gonna run it this year, which I'm having a little bit of FOMO about that because I want to do the hundred and I'm like gosh.
Speaker 2:But at the same time I want her to succeed because she's hasn't. See, I have my group of girls and every you know we're all getting that hundred and she's next and I'm like, if I, I know pacing her that last 20 miles, I'm not going to let her like, I'll be, you know, I know she's going to finish. So it's like, okay, I'm going to give it up, I'll meet her and I'll crew her back. So he has a crew going back, which he really doesn't need anyway, cause he's fine on his own. But yeah, for hamster it was like it was kind of weird because he knows he shouldn't have done the 12. He was a we joke. He was a horrible, horrible crew person and pacer because he was hurting so bad from coming off cascade crest yeah, I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 1:That's what I was talking to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, he, he actually bailed on me, yeah, and he's like I got, I feel nauseous, I gotta go to sleep, I can't go, and I had to go out by myself in the dark, miserable and like I feel. Like, in a way, I kind of am proud of myself because, like he even says, because I did kind of do it on my own. Because he wasn't there the whole time because he was hurting so bad and he's like I shouldn't have ran the 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but for him to do that, though, even be out there for you, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:He's that kind of person, though. He's my rock. He, yeah, yeah and he, he's that kind of person, though he's my rock.
Speaker 1:He'd always do that. You guys are funny to watch in a good way, because you know it's if it's you, there's a him, if there's a him, there's a you, you know. And then there's nothing around it and like you don't see that in my family, you know my wife's not out there, you know she doesn't even tend my races. I just go by myself, you know, and so like to see you guys on there. I don't want to say it, but it's cute, okay.
Speaker 2:It's cute, alright, and it's cool. Don't worry, we have bicker runs where we will just bicker back and forth for like 10, 20 miles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I never see it. It's like you, it's stupid, stupid stuff.
Speaker 2:because when you're with somebody for so long, they stupid stuff, because when you're with somebody for so long, they're going to irritate you. You know what I mean. But it's funny because then when we're done with the run, it's all done. Yeah, it's the weirdest thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:But you guys always have a smile on your face, even if you are bickering, and it's only you two and I, you know, come across you guys, you guys always have a smile on your face. You full of life. It just feels good to know that the Ansleys if you run into the Ansleys, they're going to smile, they're going to have a conversation and you guys are going to have a good time until you guys split up, you know. So it's pretty cool. So who's the best runner?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's, definitely me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've been running. My whole life. I've been running I so I grew up with a very fit family. My parents played tennis. I was a tennis player. I did figure skating, I did gymnastics. I did everything. I was a gym rat. I love lifting. I did all of that. I hated running, though, believe it or not, In college I would play racquetball.
Speaker 1:I would do the.
Speaker 2:Stairmaster, but you would never find me running. It was when I moved to Arizona that I started running, because the weather is so freaking gorgeous.
Speaker 1:So, that's when my running journey began you know, were you north or where everybody else lived? It was Phoenix area, yeah, where everybody else lived.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm from New York and once I went out to Arizona I was like I'm not going back to New York, I love it out here and I loved Arizona. So I would run. You know, I started, I think, at three miles a day, arizona. So I would run. You know, I started, I think, at three miles a day. But I was working at a fitness center. So I'd wake up at five in the morning, I'd go open at the fitness center, I'd go teach like three classes, then I'd go home and then I'd run like five miles and then I'd go back at night and teach a few more classes and it was like it was.
Speaker 2:My twenties was like constant movement and you should. My dad's like 70 something years old and I always say to myself I get this from you. He can't sit still. He's retired but he still works full time. It's like always fidgeting and so it's kind of good, it's kind of bad. I have a hard time resting and that's my probably. I'm learning that I have to take breaks and rest and stuff.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I've been running forever he hasn't he started running in 2017 really, oh, yeah, you know that, those, those guys that started either right before covid, during covid yeah, they're quite the runners, though you know. So I got, yeah, I don't know. There there's some the group of guys that I've interviewed that started before COVID and during COVID. You can't take anything away from them. They bring it. That group of guys, girls that started around that time. They're just a different breed. I don't know, I don't know why, but people that started in 2007, people that started in, you know, 2007 or early on, you know they've been there, done that, but that group set aside, you know, like Matt Shepard Shepard started, you know what I mean, yeah, and then you know Mike McKnight.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, I know, and they're like amazing yeah.
Speaker 1:They get three years in and they're freaking. You know sponsored and dominant it.
Speaker 2:You're freaking you know, sponsored and dominant. It's nuts yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying Don't take too much away from Chug, because I don't know man.
Speaker 2:No, he's good. He's good, oh yeah. But I also like the nutrition. I've worked with him with a lot. We've changed his diet a lot so he lost a good like 30 pounds, believe it or not.
Speaker 1:Really yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, a lot. So he he lost a good like 30 pounds. Believe it or not? Really, yeah, so his nutrition is I had a good amount to do with that you know, with my nutrition background and that's the thing is. I believe that, like with running, like rest, sleep is huge. It's so important. Yeah, yeah, nutrition's huge, and then having and then having the strength training, yoga, stretching, that background is huge, like the recovery is just as important. It's like my running is my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, and it has like to be able to do it every single day, consistently. You have do it everything right. Yeah, you know what I mean and I'm very disciplined with that, so that it's just like it's. It's like we were running today and we talked about it like it's. It's just like brushing your teeth to us, like you have to do it. It's just something you do. It's not like we don't really have a why. It's just you just do it.
Speaker 1:So every day you run, yeah, okay, every day. How many miles at least do you have to have, like mentally you? Have to have Mentally you have to have At least six At least six, I like eight.
Speaker 2:Ten is my happy place. Okay, but it depends. Trails, when you're in nature, and beauty, yeah it's. I could go forever. The road kind of gets boring quick to me unless I have a purpose. Like if I'm going for speed work, if I'm doing intervals, like every run I have has a purpose. So if I'm going for like my intervals or my speed, I love the track. Believe it not. I love doing a workout on the track. But if I'm just cruising the trails, then I could go a lot further.
Speaker 1:How do you have time to do everything you do? Even you said rest isn't key. Yeah, when do you rest? When I sit on the couch right before I go to bed.
Speaker 2:I don't see this thing. I don't physically sit until. I probably sit at 8 o'clock 8 o'clock. I won't sit before that. There's no time before that that. I sit down and I'm talking like even to eat I don't sit, it's weird.
Speaker 1:Are you quite regiment on your daily activities? No, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not like I'm strict or have like that's the thing about me. Like I'm a very like eat, like spontaneous, like I don't follow plans. I don't have a training plan. I never did. I don't follow a plan I didn't follow a plan for my hundred miler, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't follow a plan. I didn't follow a plan for my 100 miler. It just comes naturally because of what you've. Yeah, I don't follow a 50 mile plan like I don't follow, I don't do, I don't do structure. Structure makes me miserable gotcha. It makes me feel like it's a job and I hate it. I like to do what my body wants to do, what my mind wants to do, and as long as I listen to my mind and my body, I'm fine. So I'm very in tune with everything you know, is that how okay?
Speaker 1:One of the things I noticed, especially during your races you are a rare breed when it comes to doing 100 miles one month and then doing a 5K the next year you know, like just recently and not a lot of people do that and you know I give high praise to people that do that. So because of your scheduling, because how you do things, the non-structured do you think it comes easy for you to do what you do and what you did just recently?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause it's like my mind like I'll be, like I'll do the long distance, and then I'm like this is kind of getting boring, I'm going to try something new. And then I'm like, ah, let's go for a 5k really fast, let's change it up, let's make it exciting again.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I always like, like to change my goals around you know, and it around you know, and it's like I want to do uh, you know, I want a pr of 5k, let's work on that. And then it's like I don't know, I just don't for your age, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying it's like I'm like I'm, I want to like do something cool yeah, yeah and that's where, like I don't know, I have like I feel like, um, it's hard for me like to explain myself, because I feel like I'm very like I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual, which and I'm very like I don't know. It's like when I do stuff, it's like I'm always like can I do this? I think I can, and it's like let's try it. Like I have like that you only live once mentality and let's just every day is a new opportunity and like I'm just always so super grateful, Like it's funny Cause I'll wake up in the morning and I'm like, yay, I woke up today.
Speaker 2:I'm here. What can I do? Like I'm just so like I don't know what the word is, but just grateful to like this is my life and you only have one and you don't know how long you're going to be here, and I just want to do awesome things. And I don't give a crap about what other people think of me. I'm not trying to be famous. I don't need to be an Instagram person. I don't. That's not important to me. What's important to me is just to live.
Speaker 1:I got you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, I want to do cool stuff and I just want to be proud of me.
Speaker 1:Well, there's a lot of people out there that look up to you, believe it or not, see, and I don't even think that way, like it doesn't.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know, I'm just a normal person, it's just are you, though, are you? I just love? I love doing stuff, and I'm very fortunate that I have time to do it, because it does take a lot of time. It's a lot of time.
Speaker 1:So when you go from 5k to a hundred mile or to 50 mile to 50 K, and it's you know, two weeks or a couple of weeks, do you sit back and own, let let's say, the 5k? Do you go to 5k training right there, right then and there, or do you keep the same training you have been throughout the year?
Speaker 2:honestly, I just wake up and like whatever I like. What do I feel like doing today? Like it's just, it's really random. I'm so random Like there's. No, I don't have any kind of like today. I was like let's go to the track and do some speed work.
Speaker 2:And he's like you probably don't know how to do speed work because you just did a fast 5K and then we just did McBee for 12 miles and I'm like, yeah, but my legs are saying I should do speed work and I know I can if my legs are saying that he didn't want to. So we ended up just cruising. But I knew I needed to do road because my knees were a little achy and I was like I had a friend text me. I have the best friends and that's the thing is. My rule is always hang out with people who inspire you, motivate you and make you want to be better. Always and I tell my kids this Hang out with the doers, the successful ones, the ones who have drive. Don't hang out with people with excuses I can't do excuses. Don't hang out with people who are lazy. Don't do that. It's just going to drag you down. So find those people who you look up to and aspire to do better for you.
Speaker 1:Okay, people who you look up to and aspire to do better for you like use what you learn from these people.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Don't be jealous of these people.
Speaker 2:Learn from them take it in and go, you know I got so I don't know, I don't really have, like right now, I think, our next race. What do we have? Oh, I wanted to do the uh richland run fest yeah, I want to try everywhere, right, yeah, I think I want a 5k and I want to try to get on in a six in the six minute mile okay, so with that from now till then yeah, are you going to strictly work on getting that six minute see?
Speaker 1:no, okay, no that's what I'm asking. So what you're going to do is continue on what you've done.
Speaker 2:Continue what I do, okay. Not a lot of people do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know Not a lot of people do that, I find myself strange for that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it works for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. But yeah, it think if you did specify and work solely on speed, getting that six minute do you think you would be confidently better? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that if I specifically like we've talked about this and I talk about qualifying for boston and everything, and it would be cool and I don't love the marathons- that's my, I'd rather run a 50K than a marathon. But I feel like if I really trained for a marathon, I could do a really good marathon. But do I want to? No, because then it would get boring. It's structure, it's routine, it's work, it's not fun anymore. And then all of a sudden I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:So basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean more and then all of a sudden I don't want to do so. Basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah, because I mean I plan on going from the richland run fest pacing a friend and then I'm going to do a 50 miler at ancient lakes and then I'm going to go straight to my 100 miler for strawberry fields.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the one that's my, that's my big ticket for that. I tried to. I I said I think I only want to do a hundred a year. I don't want to do more than that because it's very hard on your body.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I was like, but I want to do strawberry fields and this is the thing, I know I'm going to do it because I want it so bad. Yeah, yeah, I'll do it. Okay, you know what I mean? Like, I just know it's weird.
Speaker 1:No, it's not weird. You got it. You got what it takes, you have it. You know, you have a husband who supports you every step of the way and you know, and every time I see you out there, you have that mindset like I'm going to kick its ass yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool to watch and know that you know you. Just you are who you are, but man, you're freaking badass at it.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I mean it's weird, because like I said, I don't feel that way. Like I said, I just do my thing, is all I do.
Speaker 1:But you're good at it and the thing is is that you can be greater if you took the time, like we do with our kids.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Train that way and I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2:I know I always thought if I had like, if I paid for a coach or something but I wouldn't follow it I drive the coach crazy because they'd be like. You're not doing what I told you you should do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm not believe it or not. Like I'm not a run streaker. Chuck's trying to do a whole month of running every single day. He's like I'm going to run streak for a month. I'm like that's cool, honey, enjoy that. But I don't do that. I just like I'll take a day off if I need a day off. I just I really I'm so like in tune with how I feel in my body and like it goes back to like I'm very holistic and like everything. Like I actually went to school for nutrition but I really wanted to be a naturopath doctor.
Speaker 1:Oh okay.
Speaker 2:So, like for me, finding natural ways of, like, keeping things anti-inflammatory and being able to, you know, keep my muscles strong, and it's like I just practice all of those things on a daily basis, which I think makes me able to also do what I'm doing and recover the way I recover you know when was the last injury.
Speaker 2:I had such a bad and I've learned over the years from all these injuries I've had. There's been so many, so many. The last one I had was my back. I always have issues with my lower back and we were going up McBee and doing repeats and it was the second time up and it was after my 100 miler and I didn't. I took maybe one day off, yeah, stupid yeah, but again I felt fine and then I was like I feel fine, you know, but my body decided no, you're not fine. So I went to go back up again and I seriously just took one step and my lower back just spasmed. Really bad and like I couldn't walk for a week, like I walk like a 90 year old, like I was hunched over. I was in so much pain, it was really bad. I went to chiropractors every day, massage, I did the tens machine, I did everything Anti-inflammatory I, believe it or not, did not take any Advil at all.
Speaker 2:I dealt with the pain, I was like I don't like taking stuff like that, so I was just like I was like I'm just going to deal with this pain and it'll pass eventually. And it took about a week and then every like three weeks it would happen again and this went on. I run through every injury, by the way, I don't stop, I'll run through it. So I run even though I'm injured, which is stupid also, but that's the way I am, because I just do that. But it goes away eventually, and six months if it's really bad. Another one is on Ancient Lakes. It was right after the Badger Mountain Challenge I had. The whole bottom of my foot was black like black.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I don't know if I stress fractured something. I don't know what happened, but I couldn't even walk on it. But I wanted to do Ancient Lakes anyway. So every loop I did I'd have to come in. I was in so much pain I'd have to take off my shoe and sit there for a good 10 minutes to let all the pain go away, put my shoe back on and then go to the next loop. And then I didn't take any Advil, nothing like that. I just dealt with it.
Speaker 1:Put everybody to shame that hurt.
Speaker 2:so that was the most painful run I've ever did. That was the 50K. It hurt so bad I was like, why am I doing this? But again, when I tell myself I'm going to do it, I can't not. Did you ever figure out what?
Speaker 1:happened. No, it just kind of went away.
Speaker 2:I get phantom pains once in a while like you're not crazy but you're freaking nuts, that would put it was bad. That one was really bad. I probably should have gotten like an mri or something, but I don't want to pay for that, so I didn't all right.
Speaker 1:Well, you're making me feel like I'm just a puss, but no, when I did a hamster, I tore my planner I was running on that and I was like yeah, so when hearing you talk about like you don't sit down, you're always moving and everything else. And I have a movement disorder so I don't move, I like I. I can't sit, I always have to move and everything else. So, like when I have a movement disorder, so I don't move, like I, I can't sit, I always have to move and everything else.
Speaker 1:So, like when I have that planner, I had to teach myself like dude I have to take it easy. I can't do anything, I can't move out there if I don't, you know, try to heal. And yeah, just hearing you talk about this and everything else like it puts me to shame. But then I'm like you know the planner. And then come to find out while I was dealing with the planner, you know the C word come up and I'm just like all right, well, you know, I'm still moving. I did some yard work today. It's not a run, it's not a, you know, a walk, it's not a hike that I want or that I wanted to be out there, but it's something that kept me moving. But like it's tough and I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do it, you know, especially when something's so painful.
Speaker 2:I don't know either.
Speaker 1:And then the next day after 50K you go out there and do six miles at least. So when running, when you started, what? What age, what were you? Where were you at? How did you manage to find running as your everyday regimen?
Speaker 2:probably my 20s. I was working at the fitness center in arizona. Um, my boss, she's amazing, she's like my second mom. She's out in arizona right now. I'll love her for the rest of my life. But she took me in as a supervisor, um, and I ended up in arizona working for it was called, naturally, women fitness centers and, uh, I would always run on my lunch break and I started to fall in love with running and they called me it was funny because all the girls in the group would call me the cardio queen because I loved to just sweat and run and it just I don't know, it's just once I started and I fell.
Speaker 2:I started running. I never really ran for weight loss. I've always kind of been the same, ran for weight loss. I've always kind of been the same. Yeah, I, I ran the mental health part of running for me it's huge, okay, huge. I got you huge. Like I. I tend to go back between winter seasonal depression and super anxiety, like I can't sit still and I gotta move and I gotta do something. Like my mind's like you gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 2:Like I get very antsy yeah but it can also boom to the other side. So what happens with running and I noticed this with my husband it really helps with the mental part of everything so for me. It's huge. So it helped me through my 20s. When I was going through stuff, the running, just I was like, oh, this works for me, you know so. So it just kind of stuck from there you know?
Speaker 1:And were you running just to run? Were you there running to go to races? Never even thought about racing.
Speaker 2:Racing. Okay, I just ran.
Speaker 1:So okay With. That said, when did you start racing and when did you find racing? Key to? I mean success? I mean do you find racing successful? Yes, Okay, yes, definitely. So what made that turn that? I mean, you're just running to run, but then racing. I know it came later correct. So what about racing?
Speaker 2:Why the change? How did?
Speaker 1:the change was 2017. It's nuts, it's nuts. Well, what happened was?
Speaker 2:saying your age on air. But I'm like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1:me so that whole time when you started in your 20s till now and 2017 when Chuck started running, it's like that's a huge, huge like timeline. Yeah, so 2017, go ahead Sorry.
Speaker 2:Well, so I was running and I was working at the fitness center so I was also lifting. I love lifting weights, so I and I love yoga and I love Pilates. So I was doing all the things and I just did it because I enjoyed it. And I worked at a whole bunch of fitness centers other than, naturally, woman, so I was always at the gym and I was like my job was always lifting weights, teaching people how to use weights and exercise and nutrition and all that. So this kind of goes a little bit off. So I never really got into racing, believe it or not, because on the weekends we like to drink wine and beer and party.
Speaker 1:So it was like yeah.
Speaker 2:So it was like, oh, I don't want to wake up early and do that, you know, because I'm going to hang out late on Friday night and Saturday night. Well, in 2017, there was a race I kind of wanted to do and Chuck's like you should totally just do this race, and I didn't want to wake up the next day because we were partying the night before. Well, I woke up and I was a little hungover and we did the 5k and I placed and I think I was second or something and I couldn't believe it. And Chuck was like, oh, my god, you, god, you placed. You know, yeah. And like he, that morning I really didn't want to do it, but he's like, come on, let's just do it. You know, and we didn't have like the cool clothes then or the gear, and I had like the worst shoes possible, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that kind of like started something for both of us, and in 2018 is when we took it seriously that and in 2018 is when we took it seriously. That's when it was like we're stopping drinking completely, okay, and we are going to go with this, okay, because if we're placing hungover, what can we do? And that was like a huge turning point in both of our lives where we were like we're going to take this and we're going to do our best with this, we're going to get rid of the stuff holding us back and we're going to go for it and see what happens. And we freaking went way past. We thought what we were going to do and it just became okay.
Speaker 2:Every year was like okay, we did this, what else can we do? It was like our first half marathon. It was like, oh my god, we did a half marathon. I can't believe. We just did this. I remember being so tired for days afterwards and stuff maybe we do a marathon. Do a marathon, yeah, okay, what else can we do? And then it was like it became so like 50k's became like a normal race and then you go to 50, like I.
Speaker 2:I tell my jam is 50 miles yeah I love 50 miles because you get to sleep in your own bed.
Speaker 1:Right, you can eat dinner.
Speaker 2:It's a whole day of being outside enjoying yourself, because I like being outside.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you could still go home. You know, the 100 miler was hard for me because I love sleep. I'm a sleeper, and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Like you know, I'm not part of any of the groups. Yes, I know a few of the groups and then you know the members and everything else and it's pretty cool to see you and Chuck's journey through these extra miles and everything else and seeing you from when you started. You know just trail early on and going to the 50Ks, and now you guys are go into the 50 Ks and now you guys are going into the hundred and and being part of that scene. That, how, how hungry you guys have been. You know I observe a lot.
Speaker 1:I don't say much you know, believe it or not, you know, especially out there, I observe a lot and to see you guys do what you're doing is quite remarkable and if you know, a lot of people get people on podcasts and throw up ultra sign up. I don't. I see, through experience and um, the journey that you guys are on it's. It's pretty neat to watch. Like seriously, I don't know if you guys pay attention but or of of what you guys do, guys do or how you guys are doing it, but I have been and I see it and I continue to see it and to see you guys dominate the way you do and continue to do it, I mean it's quite remarkable. It's a remarkable feat.
Speaker 1:Seriously, I don't know how you guys do it and to to know that. You know you we're almost alike when it comes to you can't sit down and always have to be busy. Yeah, sometimes you know you got to tell yourself to step back, but not you. You're a go-getter and there's no way I'm going to tell you you might want to step back. You might hurt yourself because you're running through the pain, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, I know I hear that from family. You know, oh, you can't do that. And that's the thing is. I know realistically I may not be able to do it forever, but I'm focused on now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like I'm going to enjoy it now.
Speaker 2:Like if, 10 years from now, I can't run, that's fine I'll, I'll do something else, Cool. But and and like at first I was like, oh, it'd be so sad if you know I couldn't run anymore. But if I couldn't run I'd be on the Stairmaster or I'd be a spin biking or something. You know what I mean. Like there's always going to be something. So I'm just going to take it, I'm going to be able to do this, which, like I said, I'm not religious, but I do feel blessed to be able to do this. So it's like I'm just gonna take this and roll with it until I can't roll with it anymore and you're dominating, and and I, I don't see anything getting in your way, only yourself yeah, well, yeah, and that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly so guys like, seriously, if you guys see what I'm seeing, you like you can tell that nothing's gonna get in between her and running.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness call it stubbornness, I think I don't know it's crazy, but it's a good crazy.
Speaker 1:It's a good crazy, so keep doing what you're doing. So your next race, richland run fest. You're to continue just doing what you're doing now. You're not going to change anything up. Nope, I'm pretty sure you're going to be dominant, just like you did on the 5K.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to get like I said I have to get like a 659 at least, or a 658 minimum. You'll be able to get it. That was at a 705. So I'm like I'm so close. It was only yeah, I mean I could have pushed harder. I was pretty, I was breathing pretty heavy when I crossed the finish line, but I could have pushed a little bit harder. I think I don't know.
Speaker 1:Richland Run Fest. Is that going to be your lowest mileage race this year?
Speaker 2:oh yeah yeah, yeah so I'm not a 5k person, but but it's fun. We're actually looking. There's a, so in Yakima there's this mile they do every year.
Speaker 1:Do you know about that mile? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yakima mile, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I wanted to do it last year and I'm going to get my kids to do it and my daughter's boyfriend. I'm like let's all see how fast we can do a mile and I'll train a little bit for that Okay. That's right around track season, so I'll run with the kids and do hundreds, 200s and do like a 400. Just kind of like see, and then I'll train a little bit for that one. But I want to see like a mile.
Speaker 1:Do 800 repeats, you'll be fine. Yeah, you'll be fine, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2:So that'll be fun. But yeah, my goal is that Strawberry Fields 100 miler, Okay, and then we'll go from there. I really like I try to pick one. I'm trying to pick one thing a month. It gets very expensive.
Speaker 1:No, it does. This is not cheap hobby, no so especially when you go into the ultras and oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like trying to like space it out and find your best value for your money kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely understand, Understand. So it's kind of funny. I used to start my season Richland Run Fest. Every year. I'd always do start out 5K and then I was all like you know, I'm done doing these local races because they're all out and backs, out and backs and that one is.
Speaker 1:And it's fun, but it's just yeah, it's just it's one of those races like it did that I've done that, just don't want to do it. It's either you're running against the crowd, that doesn't care, and so I just stopped doing that. But it's pretty funny, or pretty cool, to see you start your year with virtual learn fs and then continue on with the 50ks and the 100 miles. People used to ask me how do you do it? I'm like dude, I just do. I do it for fun, you know, focus on the, the 5k, just to get that little boost of confidence and everything else, and then, yeah, head up to badger and I like to change it up a little bit, to go back and forth well, the last few years I've just been focusing on multiple day runs, yeah, and I've lost sight of the 5k.
Speaker 1:But I think because of this torn, that this torn plantar fascia, I think I have to change things up a bit, probably just focus on know a multiple day one time a year. Yeah, and then just whatever I want afterwards.
Speaker 2:Every injury you learn from.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, it's like you get the injury and you're like dang it. I should have done this differently, but then it's like you know what.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I kind of believe everything happens for a reason, so you have to learn from it, even when it's not a good thing. It happens for a reason, so you have to learn from it, even when it's not a good thing. So I try to remind myself. I'm horrible with patience when things like that happen, and it's hard, it's hard, but you got to remember. Everything's temporary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I always have to say to myself, the scar tissue isn't. Yeah, that haunts you.
Speaker 2:I have scar tissue in different areas because you run through it and I'm like, oh, that pain is scar tissue and that's wonderful.
Speaker 1:I'll have that for the rest of my life. Yeah, the scar tissue and definitely the inserts that you have to wear for life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So what's your ultimate goal, now that you've discovered racing and dominant? What's your ultimate goal? When do you know that? Damn, you've done it. You talked about Boston briefly, and it doesn't seem like Boston is your goal.
Speaker 2:It's not my goal. No, I would like to do a 250 miler. Honestly, you know what I would love to do. I would love to do Cocodona 250. I just think that would be such a beautiful. I love Arizona. Sedona Arizona is where I got married, it's where my, it's my daughter's name Like Sedona is like I when I went up there. I just love it up there and I didn't. I didn't run trails when I lived there and it's like there's so many amazing. I know I went to school in Flagstaff. I was a skier, I was a snow skier, so I did a lot of skiing and that was wonderful, but I never got to experience the trails in Flagstaff and Sedona and Cocodona is on both of our radars and it's something I would like to do. A multi-day, like a multi-day run like that, you know where run like that, you know where you do get to sleep and stuff like that. It would just be a cool experience. I also would like to do Grand Canyon, the Rim to Rim Okay.
Speaker 2:And Pacific Crest Trail. We've talked about doing Pacific Crest Trail.
Speaker 1:Portions or all the way through.
Speaker 2:Portions.
Speaker 1:So do like Washington, then do Oregon then do California, yeah, like one summer, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 2:And this is stuff that, like our kids have to be like out of the house, and like we got to be able to do that, which is soon I mean, they'll be graduating soon but so Pacific Crest Trail is a huge one, and then Cocodona would be something cool, and then Grand Canyon would be pretty cool too.
Speaker 1:The Rim to Rim.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how many rims, though I know you can do the rim to rim. Which?
Speaker 1:one Rim to rim.
Speaker 2:This is the thing I could say rim to rim, and Chuck will be like, no, you got to go to the next rim.
Speaker 1:I'm like, ah, okay, exactly, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:My biggest thing that holds me back from like the PCT and the rim to rim is that this is so funny. I have an issue with filtering water. Isn't that weird? Because I don't want to get sick and you can get really sick and really dehydrated and you're in a remote place. It's dangerous and it scares me so much. None of these filters are good enough for me.
Speaker 1:You're talking to a guy that packs his own water. Most of my weight is water.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Gloves and socks, okay. So, yes, I totally understand and I've said on the podcast plenty of times I'm afraid of water, believe it or not. So, yeah, yeah, that's why I stay away from water. I just don't like water. But no, going to Whitney. You know the uh, what two years ago going to whitney and knowing what those guys do in the uh, the body of water, you know, as they sleep, you mean they they shit and clean themselves off, they wipe in the water yeah, at whitney where a lot of people get their water from.
Speaker 2:It's gross, I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely understand and I see it and I, because of that, not just that, but know of people just doing whatever they want in the water I pack my own water, I know, and it's like how much water can I carry when I'm going that far?
Speaker 2:So that kind of holds me back from certain things and it's such a weird thing Cause it's. It's like some people like it's just water, you can filter it, but to me it's like weird, I just can't get past it.
Speaker 1:It's hard, yeah, and the thing is to. Once you're out there for a while, um, you start knowing what water is good and what water is bad when it comes to taste.
Speaker 2:And I tell you what?
Speaker 1:pond water is horrible. Lake water is nasty. The best water is moving water, but we all know where that's coming from. Yeah, exactly, because everybody wants that when I say everybody wildlife.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, yeah. And it's hard because, with with my nutrition background, my kids and my everyone will tell you like I'm so anal about food temperature, food holding, um, cooking stuff to the right temperature, and like we always talk about every kind of bacteria that's in everything. So I, when you go to new, when you learn nutrition in college, it's it, it's great and it's bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because in a way, it's like it freaks you out about so many things but you are so knowledgeable in so many things at the same time that are helpful. But knowing all the other stuff like I never. I hardly eat out at restaurants because of what I've learned and because I've worked in restaurants. So it's so hard for me because of that kind of stuff and that's where the water it's like. I know every bacteria that's in there and I know all the side effects of it and it's like sometimes the knowledge is not good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one time I did 65 miles. It's the South to North Lake, uh, and Bishop.
Speaker 2:I ended up getting sick because of the water. So but I filtered it I filtered it. Yeah, exactly, it happened to my husband too, because he hunts and he got sick from it one time too, because his filter wasn't, I guess he. He didn't replace it when he should have blah, blah, blah so, yeah, yeah, the Sawyers aren't really efficient either.
Speaker 2:I've been researching and Sawyer was the best one, so I know. So it's like I don't know. That's where my, that's where it's like I don't know what to do with that, so I pack it.
Speaker 1:I'm the one that will pack six to eight liters.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a lot it.
Speaker 2:That's a lot it is. I can't carry that much it is.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'd rather do that than get sick Exactly, and taste all the other.
Speaker 2:I have a hard time just drinking water at aid stations. Yeah, because I know a lot of it's hosed water and you don't know if those containers were clean and where they were stored. Here I go with my head again Like is there mold in there? Has it been stored well, yeah, sometimes they taste like bleach. Has all the bleach been? Removed from it yeah, Eight stations.
Speaker 1:I won't touch things that have been sitting out. My wife hits on me because after races I'll just eat or drink anything but water. She's like why don't you drink water? I'm like because I had enough of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like you don't want it anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially water, because I had enough.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's like you don't want it anymore, yeah, especially out of uh, you know your hydration pack. You know, yeah, because the the tubing uh, just wish I can't even use the one in the back. I have to use the bottles. I can't use the back. Okay, yeah, I don't use the bottle. I normally bring a plastic bottle like a um smart water yeah, I see a lot of that in the front of people's packs yeah, I have to do that instead.
Speaker 1:So what I'll do is uh, if I have time, I will sit down, take the hydration pack pour it, you know, just funnel it into my smart water, like that, because I can't take I can't stand the tube. I know there's that taste and the monotonous of it. It's just like ugh.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I when I did my first 50 mile for Badger Mountain Challenge. I was trying the tail, so I don't do any goos or gels.
Speaker 1:It's all real food for me. Have you ever had a bad one? I never do goos because of that.
Speaker 2:But the, even the. What is it? The electrolytes. I was using Tailwind yeah, oh, my god, this stuff made me so sick. I can't do sugar and the sugar amount in that, so I stay away from electrolytes.
Speaker 1:I take a pill an electrolyte pill that has no calories in it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, and I don't do any fake foods like it's just has to be real food okay, but I'm like I can go a long distance with no food, I don't. I mean I eat before I run yeah, I don't go fast, but I can I go a long time before I need to?
Speaker 1:yeah, I pay attention what I do and what I get on the at the aid stations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it's funny because we joke about what we eat, like I was. I told them, I told you like that, like I did the badger mountain 50 miler on just peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. That's it.
Speaker 1:Theirs or your own.
Speaker 2:Theirs, theirs, yep. That's it though.
Speaker 1:Nothing else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like and I like to stick to things that my body knows. I like loop runs because then I can bring my own food. I rock my own food.
Speaker 1:Like if I can have my own yeah it was beautiful, so check had my layout fixed runs are great.
Speaker 2:Yes, he had everything laid out for me. My stomach felt amazing the whole time which I never really have problems with my stomach except for with that tailwind. But, like um, I don't have problems with nausea or anything like that. It's usually from running too fast, yeah, but but I always eat what my body is familiar with and it's always real food.
Speaker 1:Right Okay, all right. Yeah, you going to do hamster again, or no?
Speaker 2:I was talking about it, but it's kind of like I already did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Okay, I mean I could do it faster, but I already did it. I need to do strawberry fields because-.
Speaker 1:But you already done that.
Speaker 2:I did that, but I did the 100K.
Speaker 1:Did I do the 100K, you did the 100K.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did the 100K because that was my longest distance before. Okay, and I love Strawberry Fields. I love the race director. She's super cool. I love the whole atmosphere. I don't like the whole like if I did Boston, I don't like marathon, like that whole scene. I like the trail scene and I like the smaller, like badger, mountain, challenge, strawberry field badger is not that small it's getting big.
Speaker 1:It's getting big, it's huge. It's probably the biggest one in this area, and the best, you know but it's still like.
Speaker 2:The volunteers are great.
Speaker 1:You like the camaraderie yeah, you, you like the feel, the ambience, the, the people. Well, number one, you know the people, but you also know everybody that's out there are gonna get beat to shit and they're out there to just experience it, not to beat you, but just to you know, see what they're up against. And a lot of them they get beat to shit. That's why there's a high drop rate, you know, and it's just like, okay, what can I do now? And that's what brings people back, you know. They're like, okay, let's do it again. And then they either, you know, drop to 15k, you know, get that, and then they end up doing the 50K and then the 50 miler and then the 100. So it's pretty cool to see people, you know, come back just to beat their old time or what they did last time. So, with that, what brings you back to Badger? Just the ambiance, just the feel see other people defeat their old you know like go from 15k to 50k.
Speaker 2:What it's just it's our community. It's like everyone we train with all everyone you see on those mountains, like bad, badger, mcbee, rattlesnake, jump off joe, like all around the area. They're all like a lot of them are training for badger at some distance and it's just so cool when you're seeing them put in all those miles all the time to see see their faces at the finish. That finish line is amazing. I love to just stand there and just watch. It's just so cool.
Speaker 1:And I.
Speaker 2:I, I it's. It's a tough race. It's the weather on Nick B, it's so. So we went up there the other day and I swear we went up there and it was fine. There was no wind at all and it was foggy, but it was kind of warm and I was starting to sweat and I, we got up there and all of a sudden the sun came out and it was great and turn around and it was like what has just happened. It was blowing wind, it was freezing. I was trying to like put my neck gator on, but my hands, I couldn't take my gloves off, so I was like trying to get this and it was so cold. My eyes were like you know, when your eyes get cold, my eyelashes had like frozen and it's like what the heck happened? And that's mcbee and and mcb in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2:In that in march is. It's the reason why I haven't done the hundred yet, because I have rain outs and when I lose circulation in my toes or my fingers it won't come back, it gets. If it gets to a certain level, it's dangerous for me and my hands turn white and to get. I've been in situations where I've let it go a little too long and I've had to run them under hot water and they turned so purple, almost black, and it's so painful, it's like feels like needles stabbing you. So I really, really want that jacket because I'm really close to it, but the weather it has to. I can run in a hundred degrees, but you get me in the cold and that's what kills me.
Speaker 1:The hundred is all I've been is all I need to get that jet, yeah, but it's like I really you know what the thing is.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do it. So, I won't. So I have to want it and I have to really once I say to myself okay, I'm ready, I want it, I know I'll do it, but I don't want to do it. And if I don't want to do it, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:I thought about doing the cycle again, but I don't know. I told Jason last year I was like I'm done, I'm done with Badger, I'm taking a year off.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm pacing this year. It's so nice because I'm training like I'm running Badger and I do everything that I'm doing the Jeep trails next week. So it's like I'm doing all the training but I don't have the stress of actually having to run it. So it's so cool that I don't have to run it, I just have to pace it, you know. So I'm kind of like using that as a training run for my ancient lakes to do the 50 miler.
Speaker 1:When you're not running, what do you do? Cross train wise.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love spinning. I have a spin bike you cross train was oh, I love spinning, I have a spin bike, I have a real. So I got this really fancy spin bike. It was very expensive and it's all digital.
Speaker 1:It's the coolest ever.
Speaker 2:No, I don't do peloton okay, I don't do name brands and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Um, it's amazing and it's. I love spinning because spinning to me is fun and I'm not a fast rider and I don't. I have a bike to ride outside and I'm kind of klutzy. I have fallen on my bike a few times. I'm not great and I have clip-ins and everything, um, but on a spin bike I just I can go for hours on that thing. I um, I into I do weight training, but it's like it's yoga, pilates, weight training. I don't go to the gym and lift heavy. I do a lot of cool like yoga stuff. So it's more about I'm very flexible, so I like, like, I do, I like doing headstands. So I have a headstand that I do and then I come down and I can almost go into a split. So it's like I'm very learning how to like use my body weight to do stuff. You know what I mean. I plank, I do that kind of stuff, but, um, a lot of like weight. I try to do weight training every day, but running specific.
Speaker 2:I do a lot of stretching every day Um. No hiking, no backpacking no it's crazy, it's too slow, I can't do, I can't. It's a different. I can't hike because I want to run.
Speaker 1:It's a different feel it's a different way.
Speaker 2:I have to get my heart rate up, and you can. Yeah, I don't know. You pack the pack and you hit. You know some of the, the trails that you know runners don't. Yeah, you get it. I have to say we did go to sisters and I found a trail and we had to hike it because it was steep and I loved it and when we got to the top it was so gorgeous sister, it was no, it wasn't south, because we need to go back.
Speaker 2:We're going back this summer for a whole week and we're getting the permits way ahead of time Because there were so many places we wanted to go, we couldn't. And I kind of wanted to go and he's like you can't go, we're going to get a fine. And I'm like, but we're here, let's just go. You know, I forgot what the name was it Black Butte it was. I forgot the name of it. It was like it wasn't that long of a hike but it was very steep and the top was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2:And then when we went to Smith Rock, it was the same thing. You had to like hike up a section of it, and I love hiking with running involved. So if you can hike it and run it, then I'm good, but if it's just hiking I can't do it Like I have to have both.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, yeah, smith Rock.
Speaker 2:That's my training ground. There's a 50 miler that we want to do at Smith Rock yeah.
Speaker 1:It gets too crowded there.
Speaker 2:Does it? Yeah, it's too crowded. We thought about that one.
Speaker 1:I thought about that one. Yeah, the reason why I don't do that race I'd rather train there is just because there's a lot of the elite runners in Bend and Portland that go in there. Really, and they just dominate. Oh yeah, and if you hang out at Smith Rock you'll see the elite runners up there. They're the only ones that are running like Up that hill, yeah.
Speaker 2:Up that steep they're the only ones. And it's sketchy.
Speaker 1:Some of those areas are sketchy like I was like wow, this is like you can fall. Yeah, off the edge of this, right here you know?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, so I love ben, though I'll tell you, bend is my jam yeah, there's not enough parking at smith rock for that race.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah and it's got more and more, the more. It's, uh, you know, not televised, but for the elites to put it on the map. They, they've ruined that race. I mean, max king lives down there, you know, ian charman, yeah, and then you got some other up and coming guys that live in redmond and ben, that put that on the map too. So the more you, if you ever go there, the hit, hit me up, because I'll be glad to go, I, I go there in a day and just go there, get back home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how far is it? It's like four hours.
Speaker 1:I would say three and a half Okay. Cause it's north of Ben, yeah so, and almost in Redmond, but not quite. But yeah, I love that place.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it, I love.
Speaker 2:Sisters, sisters, bend area. I'm a. I like I go back and forth Like I'm vegetarian, vegan, but every once in a while I'll have like a little piece of like fish or something, but the food when we're in like bend and sisters oh I'm in heaven. Yeah, you know, I'm like why do we not have that?
Speaker 1:here. How come ben has it but we don't?
Speaker 2:yeah, they have my favorite, like we have to go there and I come back with seriously like a whole box of kombucha and like they have the best hummus and just like I'm like this is amazing. So we always eat very well while we're there. I love it there, so we're going to go for a week this year.
Speaker 1:The high desert. There's nothing like that smell too. I love that smell. So you asked me. You thought I only did rodeo guys or rodeo athletes or whatever, yeah and that's what has. That's what has kept you away from the podcast a little right.
Speaker 2:Just I was just like yeah, I'm like, I don't like country music, I don't like country anything. People might not like me for that, but I don't care.
Speaker 1:So here it's just not my jam yeah, yeah, and I'm not putting on the spot because you're not the only one, yeah, so you're not the only one that said that. And you know what? I am not a country lover. I like chris dabbleton, but he's more soulful, yeah, I like, uh, what's his face? Uh, stirrable simpson. He's more uh, you know, soulful too. I love red clay strays and they got that elvis soul, yeah you know, and they got that little rock.
Speaker 1:They they're more rock but for some reason country just threw them up but it's more of americana. It's that soulful, that, uh, that rock more rock than the country. I hate country, I hate country and I've said that even with the country, guys here I'm a metalhead and um that's cool.
Speaker 1:The one thing, the one other thing, and that's all I listen to when I'm on the trail and one of the things that, uh, have you know, people have stated is oh, I don't listen to that, and also I don't listen to people who abuse animals. So I don't, you know, support you or anything that do rodeo scene so do you do I interview them because of what they do?
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, you do. I interview them because they're athletes just as us. Yes, and the different form. The one thing that's different with them, between us and them, is that the animal. They're probably one of the best athletes out there and the more you see them perform or compete and everything else the only difference is they have that animal the more I talk to those athletes the rodeo athletes in that scene female, male, especially when it comes to females and barrel racing, how much core they use and everything else and and whatnot, people think that the horse is doing most of their work, but hey, uh yeah, they do it so one of the things that, uh, I love is to know what the athlete is, the athlete mind, and why they do what they do, how they do what they do and, um, a lot of people you know who started out with this podcast, no, you know started miles, mountains and brews.
Speaker 1:It was just conversational piece. Then it went from conversational to um sports or, you know, running and everything else. It's always a running, it's always going to be a running, but it's hard to get runners in. It is and um it's. It's changed a lot, a lot of. The more you get into, get into the running scene, the more you see the ego.
Speaker 1:It's ego driven yeah and uh see that a lot of them are just about themselves. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, a lot of them are just about themselves yeah, I don't like that yeah, a lot of them are just about themselves and a lot of them will tell you to, if you don't mind, um, fuck off. You know I'm sorry for putting that yeah I.
Speaker 2:I don't like people who are, and so that.
Speaker 1:So you know a lot of people and I'm I'm thankful that you're able, you're allowing me to state this on your, on your episode, because you know you mentioned it and I was just like you know I need to say something. I need to say something about it, yeah, because you know a lot of people judge, a lot of people judge.
Speaker 2:They do and it's. I always tell my kids this and people who judge you, it has nothing to do with you and a lot to do about them. Like I know, this is the thing there's going to be better runners than me. There's going to be not as good runners than me, whatever, I don't care. And I don't care if, like, if you're a great runner but you have that ego, then you're not a great runner, because running and being a great runner is more than just being a great runner. It's also being a good person and it's just. It's some people.
Speaker 2:I just and that's the thing, I just, I'm not gonna waste my time worrying about those people. I just go boop, go to the side. I don't care, you know, do your thing, whatever, but the people who are out there working really hard and who are humble are my favorite. I have my favorite people in our community and those are the ones that I'm like, and me and my husband, I love that person. That person's amazing, you know. Or this person, nah, because it's not just about it's like someone who's beautiful on the outside but a bad person on the inside, like you have to be beautiful on the inside, and it's the same thing with running. It's like you have to be a to be a good athlete. I have athletes that I coach. When you're an athlete and you're one of those people who's like oh yeah, I'm the best at it, you're not going to go far in life, you can't be like that.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately it's, it's, unfortunately it's, it's, it's filled with uh, yeah, the sport is filled with a lot of those and um, so my my point was I'll, I'll do my best to get locals, because you guys stay true and stay local. You guys always, you know, root for each other. But outside of that, when it comes to big name influencers, I stopped doing those because those guys are full of themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah and no, and honestly I wouldn't want to listen to that yeah, I don't want to listen to those people. I want to listen to the ones who are the locals, who are the humble ones, who are like I pick your episodes based on, like the ones who are like I'm like, oh, that's somebody who I really want to know about. You know what I mean? I yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:And you know the cool thing about the guys from the rodeo scene too, they're very humble. I basically pick them out because they're up and coming and they're hungry and those are the kids that I've been putting on there and they see it and they stick together and that's how the podcast should be and how how I've been liking it. It's been feeling good because those kids just they root for each other, they root each other on, you know, and just basically, uh, live and die.
Speaker 2:that, you know, just like the local scene here you know, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I I enjoy it. I enjoy it. Yeah, I feel like around here, you know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I enjoy it, I enjoy it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like around here too, you got some that like would love to be famous and all that stuff. But I'll tell you something with that kind of fame comes a lot of stuff that I wouldn't want to deal with. You know what I mean. Like that would just not be fun. Then it's not fun anymore. Yeah, yeah, and then it's not fun anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you know to see some of the locals head towards that ego-driven. It's hard to watch but it's like okay, whatever you guys do you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly that's my theory on life. You do you. I do me, you do you, you do you.
Speaker 1:But, those are also the ones that are saying oh yeah, podcast change. Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people have a lot of things to say about a lot of things, right, exactly so no, it's more so the athlete.
Speaker 1:And you know a lot of the ones I always put running involved, like the music. Some of the music they have the RPMs of 120. You know what I mean? The heart rate? Yeah, so the heart rate. Know what I mean? The heart rate? Yeah, so the heart rate. I always talk about the heart rate. I was like man, your music's always great for the heart rate. So like, let's say, if I'm going for a long run I'll put yours down, and I know if I stick on that beat I'm gonna go through x amount of time throughout the day.
Speaker 2:You know that's real yeah, yeah, I don't listen to music. Yeah, yeah, no one not. No, I don't. I don't listen to music when I run. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not. No, I don't. I don't listen to music ever when I run. I have to.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm always alone. I'm always alone.
Speaker 2:Every now and then. But even when I'm alone, I don't I feel like. You know what it is. My mind is always full of a whole bunch of things at get rid of all of it. So when I run and I don't have noise it just it's like there's nothing there.
Speaker 1:It's just clear. I love that. My favorite person to listen to on a run, or especially around Badger and Candy, is Bob Seger. I love Bob Seger.
Speaker 2:He's pretty great, yeah, yeah. So if you ever have that time, I might have to try that I will, once in a while, put on something the greatest hits.
Speaker 1:If you ever get a chance, you'll know what I'm talking about. But if and when you just want to just listen to music, listen to that greatest hits the Silver Bullet Band and you'll know what I'm talking about, I'll do that. I'll do a lot of the Badger training runs listening to him, him and Chevelle, but other than that, yeah, it's pretty cool stuff. Do that? I'll do a lot of the badger training runs listening to him, and him and chevelle. But other than that, yeah, yeah yeah, it's pretty cool stuff, so strawberry fields.
Speaker 1:After that what?
Speaker 2:after strawberry. I think that's is that june. I think that's june. I'm a summer runner yeah, yeah so all my miles, a lot of my miles, are in the summer. If, if it's nice out, like I'll wake up, I always say to myself I'm going to not run, like every morning. If it's cloudy in the summer or it's raining, I won't go for a run. That'll be my rest day. So I use the weather as my rest day. Well, where we live in the summer, it's sunny every day.
Speaker 2:So it's like, oh, I guess I'm going out again, so. So I love running in the summer and I think there we're looking at there was something in July. I know I have something written down for July, I know. So I work with Run Super Series and stuff and I know they have an. Ultra Fest and that's coming up. Well, I don't work with them, but I'm an ambassador for them and she always has like cool races going on there.
Speaker 2:West Side-ish it's mostly west side- but it's like a lot of her races are like North Bend, so they're on the.
Speaker 1:Iron Horse Trail. They're on the tree line.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so I like it, but there's not a lot of elevation to a lot of them either. They're not mountainy races and I'm trying to challenge myself because, even though I hate hiking, it's probably great for me and I notice, the more I do it, the stronger I get. So I keep doing it, even though I complain. Um, so I don't, I don't know. We've been talking about maybe going up to cascade crest and volunteering for that one you're gonna be able to sit back and watch.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be exactly but I, but I, I did.
Speaker 2:I did six miles of that trail and I was like, wow, this is tough and it was like the easiest part of the six miles. But it was four o'clock and it was so hot and it was all exposed. And then the part where I had to go up to meet chuck, for water was so steep and I was like, and he's, oh, I've been doing this one for hours and I'm like, oh, my God, that's a lot of hiking. I don't know if I want to do hiking, but Catsgate Crest is like would be super cool to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cocodona is mostly hiking. Yeah, I know, talk to Harp I know he said he walked the whole thing. That's the goal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I I know, and especially if you're going that far. So, it would be new for me. It's something different. So it's kind of a nice change and it's probably a lot better on my body.
Speaker 1:You're going to have to mentally change things up yeah, because that time yeah.
Speaker 2:I know we thought about across the years is another one that would be cool to do. It's a one mile loop.
Speaker 1:I signed up for the 48 hour.
Speaker 2:You're doing that one this year.
Speaker 1:I was until the C word came about.
Speaker 2:And so I had to.
Speaker 1:They normally don't give out refunds, but they refunded, not refund. But they gave me until like 2028 to fulfill the. You got to do it. Oh, I'm doing it. I'm doing it, my goal is to do the six-day.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what? When you do it, you let me know and we'll go with you.
Speaker 1:I was going to do it this year.
Speaker 2:Because we want to do it. This year is too late, we can't sign. He looked into it and he's like the plane tickets are ridiculous. But I would love to do that one.
Speaker 1:I'm signing up. I don't do. I don't do so well for locals, I just don't want to do it anymore. It's lame, it's boring, yeah, it's boring.
Speaker 2:I know you need to change it up and I've thought about it Like I was like oh, we could do like a marathon or a half. I hate marathon, so a half marathon in every state, but to me that's I wouldn't want to do that honestly. I want to do one in different countries, so like that would be more fun I really want to do the cowboy 200.
Speaker 1:Where's that nebraska? But it's during cross-country season. So if I don't do a season or two, or just not a cross-country anymore, yeah, um, I'll end up doing that right away yeah, I thought about because you coach at the high school level, okay, so I thought about that.
Speaker 2:But then there's weekends right so I was like you know, a goal in the future would be like a high school or college cross-country coaching yeah you know, if I, if it got to the point where I couldn't run yeah, I know what I would do is I'd start coaching running at a higher level, because then I could be there on the weekends to do all that. So that would be an alternative of something I would do in the future and take all my knowledge I know now and use that.
Speaker 1:That's fun. Yeah, there's a reason why Kyle Paulson does it too. Shout out to Kyle. Yeah, I know, talk about runner. Yeah, you know, of course.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, of course he was.
Speaker 1:He was sick during that last race.
Speaker 2:I know, I saw it on Strava and he was, and it's so funny because it's. It's crazy how people are at such different levels, like when he's sick and he's struggling, he's running like a 650 minute mile and it's like, wow, you know it's like, but it's crazy to think that like if I was sick, I'd be running at like a 10 minute mile. You know exactly, yeah, but it's he's, there's people in our running community that I do like I'm really impressed oh yeah it's like there's people I'm really impressed with, but then it goes with the personality part.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh my God, you're awesome. But the personality just brings it down so much, and then there's somebody else who's not as awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you have so much more respect for them because, they're out there grinding and they're not the best, but they don't stop. Yeah, and it's impressive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stop, yeah, and it's impressive. Yeah, and I'd love to like. We are inspired by that, you know so. So, kyle, you know his issue, though. Right, have you ever watched him?
Speaker 2:coach? No, I have not. I don't know him very. I know al a little bit better and I've seen al marino because I know they run together sometimes milio milio that's what I call but k I don't really. I see him once in a while. He's way too fast. I don't see him. He's always at the front.
Speaker 1:If you ever get to see, okay, normally he warms up, he'll warm up a mile before he even steps foot on the starting line, believe it or not. But when you see him on his off time, he walks. And I've him on his off time, he walks, and I've said this even on the uh his recent uh episode, and I talk about it on the podcast that he walks like an old man because he has uh like bone growing through his achilles. Oh, my, yeah. And so, like, when you see him in and around the cross-country course, I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he does it because he runs like an old man, but then when he is racing, yeah, it's like dude, where are you from? Like who are you? And yeah, I guess for him to get it fixed they would have to cut both Achilles and clean it out.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I would not do that.
Speaker 1:So thankfully his brother's a physical therapist and he does a lot of that stuff. That helps a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's once they See I have really bad, see I have bunions. Nobody really knows how bad my bunions are. They're pretty bad, but I've learned how to manage them.
Speaker 2:But the thing is that to get that surgery, I've talked to too many people and I'm like you know what that's? Surgery is not going to happen for me, I'm just running. So I've learned to wide toe. You know, I always go a half a size bigger. I learned the socks to use and I do all the things I I actually no, nobody knew I sleep with toe separators because healthy though. Yeah, when I put my toe separators every night, it actually trains your feet and it has helped tremendously. And no high heels ever I used to wear high heels. It's all flats. You can't wear high heels anymore.
Speaker 1:You know Marino's one of those guys that started around that time too, 2017.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought he was running for a long time, huh.
Speaker 1:No, no, he started getting back into it I didn't know that, yeah, yeah, a lot of these, yeah, it's amazing to hear everybody's story yeah, it is and my goal and my goal also when talking about the podcast is get more people from in, from the local scene on, and my goal was to get you or Chuck, in before this new year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just skimmed through. Huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like very thankful.
Speaker 1:I'm very thankful, you know, seriously, and yeah, I appreciate you allowing me to catch that goal, especially with everything that's been going on in my life, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Knowing that tomorrow's Christmas Eve, it's crazy. And you were able to come, that's even better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't go travel for Christmas. That's too stressful, I can't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. We used to go to California a lot, but now they come up here, or Grandma does Father-in-law passed in September, yeah, or if grandma does father-in-law passed in september, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it has been a terrible year, but yeah, but no, my, my goal was I was like you know what? I have to ask the insleys and so like when I, when I saw you guys at hamster, I was like yo, chuck, I need you guys that's.
Speaker 2:I remember him saying that I was kind of like way out of it, I was so out of it, and he goes.
Speaker 1:No, you were zoning. You're in the zone. I didn't even see you.
Speaker 2:I didn't even see you. One lap, so one lap I ran with this guy. I'll never forget he was like 78.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He told me stories. We walked the whole thing because I was done at that point. I think it took me like an hour and a half to do two and a half miles. But the stories he told me. I have a picture of us together. I'll have to show you the picture and it like comes in and out. Of what I can remember.
Speaker 2:He was a German guy, I'm German, so we kind of like talk German stuff and he did amazing things, like he was just telling me stories and he ended up falling and he hurt his ribs. So he had to. He was he, he goes. My son told me I should stop, but he kept walking anyway. So he walked the whole loop with me and it was really cool and, uh, it kind of inspired me. You know what I mean? Like I was like, I was like that's when I kind of was. I was like I'm done and it's like dude, this guy fell. He probably broke a rib. He's still walking around 78 years old. I have no excuse. I have no excuse.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So now, like one of my goals too in the racing or running world is just stick with the directors that I really like and care for, and Gretchen Wall is one of them yeah, I love her races.
Speaker 2:I actually I've done almost all of them, but this year, like I said, we've been picking and choosing because they get really expensive.
Speaker 1:Not hers though.
Speaker 2:No, hers are great and hers sell out. The best run I did with her was the Twilight.
Speaker 1:So I never ran in the dark. You did Twilight too right. I did with her was the uh twilight, so I I never ran in the dark too Right, yeah, uh, just this year. Yeah, yeah, that's another race I ran with you guys, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that one, like I, was terrified cause I ran in the dark and I can't. First of all, I need glasses. I wear contacts but I don't like to wear them and running in the dark is hard for me. So we got the Kogala and I did that race and that's when I knew I could do 100 because I needed the night run. So that race is a beautiful race that she puts on. It's smart, the terrain is perfect, it's like everything about it was great. So I did that training run and that was like. Once I finished that I said okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:I've done it two, three years in a row. Now I'm doing it again. That's one of those ones that I was like. You know, I like this. I just like to beat the shit out of myself.
Speaker 2:Right, I know we just love to do that.
Speaker 1:Only a runner understands that Everyone else is like, like what are you doing? And after every, uh, you know, beat the shit out of loop. You see gretchen walla, you know, smiling at the top of it, feeding you, and it's like that aid station was stacked with food yeah, like she, she takes care of us, wow, yeah yeah, when I did hamster I had some uh, I had great pizza.
Speaker 2:She got like a, and what I love about what she does is like she had like vegan stuff. So she had a pizza with no cheese, yeah yeah. And it was like a gluten-free crust, thin crust, so I was able to, like, actually eat the food. So I had like five slices of that pizza and it was great. Like I was like oh, this is just what I needed you know, because I can't do M&Ms and I can't do chips.
Speaker 1:You know you do so much.
Speaker 2:You start shaking yeah Once that pizza came out, I was like, oh, this is pizza. I did the same thing on Soul Survivor. I think Jason got me a whole Domino's pizza, but it was like no cheese, thin crust, I ate the whole thing. I was like that's great.
Speaker 1:Jason and Gretchen, yeah, and Chris, they all do a fantastic job.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Okay. Well, guess what We've been at it for over.
Speaker 2:I guess I can talk, yeah.
Speaker 1:For a while now. I mean we can still go, but I don't want to waste your time. I want you back on Stephanie, if that's okay, if you did enjoy your time here I do?
Speaker 2:I thought I was nervous. Like I said, I'm a very private person. I don't like to talk about myself but it was nice, because it came pretty natural. I like that you ask questions so I can just answer them. That's cool.
Speaker 1:So did it exceed all expectations? I mean, you weren't expecting much. You're like, oh, I'm so nervous.
Speaker 2:What are we going to talk about? But?
Speaker 1:it comes natural and it went fast right. I mean we can still go. A reason why.
Speaker 2:Kyle always comes on. There's a reason why you know Brock Betzler comes on there.
Speaker 1:There's always there's a reason why Mike McKnight comes on. Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, so, uh, yeah, a lot of people have said a lot of positive things about this and I'm I'm glad that you were able to make it. I really do. I appreciate you finding time to let me have my moment this year, my goal of having another person.
Speaker 2:Well, it's nice because I get to learn about you too.
Speaker 1:A little bit, and so a little. So the little here's a little birdie. A little birdie is trying to get out. Right now there's some people that really want me to tell my birdie is, uh, trying to get out and right now that there's some people that really want me to tell my story, it's gonna come out. I just don't know when, but it's very soon and that's kind of interesting because I know you're like me.
Speaker 1:You're a private person too, yeah even though I have a podcast I know right, a lot of people from you know outside the podcast that actually listen. The people that you know I've put on they were like nick, you need to tell the story. We know there's a story you need to tell it and kyle's been an inspiration on that one. Um, a lot of people outside the podcast world has also been trying to tell me to do it and I I thought about doing it my by myself. That's still in the air but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know you'll know when you're ready when it comes yeah, you'll yeah when it comes, but like right now, like I feel like I have cancer brain, so you know, it's like it's really tough, like right, like when we're still recording when I'm done, I'm going to ask you did that all make sense.
Speaker 1:Did that make sense when I was saying earlier, you know so, but yeah, it'll come out, it'll come out. I've been really thinking about it, especially since I've had the downtime with the plantar fascia and the sickness and stuff like that, and treatment's going well, it's going well, it's going well. Every week's different, every treatment's different. Really. Like the first treatment was like dude. I had a sorry for calling you dude. I had a headache, I had a headache from Friday all the way to Monday, you know.
Speaker 1:And then this one. I had a sickness with it. But then you know, cancer cough is a real thing.
Speaker 1:You know, and so I was like learning all this stuff as I go. But one of the things that I have to deal with is with everything that's gone in my life. This cancer is going to be with me no matter what that's gone in my life. This cancer is going to be with me no matter what. So, like the treatment that I'm on right now, is the treatment that's shrinking the cancer Right. It's not putting it away, it's not putting it aside, it's just shrinking it, and then I'm going to have to do treatments throughout the rest of my life. It's crazy. It's crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's, it's, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm taking turkey tail. I hate mushrooms, so I'm doing all sorts of mushroom pills.
Speaker 2:Yeah, are you doing ginger? Are you taking ginger supplements? Do you have any nausea?
Speaker 1:I uh every now and then when, after treatment, my senses are heightened. Yeah, that's when I hate ginger. I'll do ginger ale, but I don't like ginger.
Speaker 2:But not like in a chew form, just like a supplement, where you just swallow it, you won't taste it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:No, I don't have that.
Speaker 2:Okay, because that helps.
Speaker 1:That's a game changer. Yeah, that helps.
Speaker 2:And it's got to be like a good quality no-transcript, and then there's good quality stuff that will actually make a difference.
Speaker 1:Now that you know, knowing that you're a nutritionist and everything else, I've been doing all this stuff about anti-inflammation. Yeah, you want to keep the inflammation down, been learning all sorts of stuff oh yeah, I could talk to you about the whole diet.
Speaker 2:I could go on forever about that exactly and yeah, so it's a lot.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of uh learning and uh, one hell of experience, but, um, I do enjoy this experience talking to you and uh definitely will have to do a number two or number three or whatnot if you, if you're up to it.
Speaker 2:Well, every there's chapters in everyone's life, so who knows what our next chapters are going to be?
Speaker 1:And I'm thankful that you actually sat down and discussed your, your world and your journey and running. And it's quite amazing to be part of it from the outside and, um, seeing you guys progress, knowing what you guys done and hearing your story just started racing in 20, 2017 and knocking miles out.
Speaker 2:It's quite I always think I should have started earlier but I was but I was too busy partying and doing all things I shouldn't be doing. You're living and learning. You're living and learning.
Speaker 1:But it's quite an amazing feat what you guys have done and I'm glad to be part of it or see it from the outside. You guys keep rocking it.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Until next time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, Thank you guys. Thank you, merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Speaker 2:Merry Christmas, we'll see you next time.