Miles & Mountains
Join Nick, a social worker and coach by day, as he unravels the inspiring stories of athletes and the public, uncovering the motivations behind their actions, from conquering mountains to participating in ultra-endurance races and competing in rodeos. Get ready for heartwarming tales of community support, acts of kindness, and the revelation that everyone has a deeper story to tell. Whether it's running, climbing, or participating in rodeos, these stories will inspire and uplift. #Running, #Climbing, #EverydayAthletes, #Rodeo
Miles & Mountains
Endurance and Community in Ultra Running with Bo Shelby
Ultra-running enthusiasts, Bo Shelby returns to share his incredible experiences and achievements. From his remarkable 11th place finish at the grueling Leadville 100 to the unexpected impact of a "simple" backyard run, Bo's story is a testament to the power of support and community in pushing the limits of endurance.
We unravel the mental and physical demands of ultra races, where ambition meets well-being in a delicate balance. We'll traverse through Bo's personal challenges, including the sharp pain of the "Behind the Rocks" 50k and the prestigious Laz's Big Dog Backyard Ultra in Tennessee. Bo shares unforgettable moments alongside legendary athletes, revealing what drives ultra-runners to test their limits and make their loved ones proud.
Lastly, as we look toward the future we discuss Bo's aspirations for a 24-hour race and the importance of maintaining health, Bo offers insights into planning a race calendar driven by pure passion. We also celebrate the connections forged through podcasting, highlighting stories of athletic inspiration and the motivational power of shared experiences.
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Bo Shelby, how are you man?
Speaker 2:Pretty good man. I'm glad I'm back. Thanks for having me, nick. It's third time's the charm, I guess.
Speaker 1:That's what I was going to say, but you beat me to it. You just know, bo knows man. Bo Shelby Gosh, man, it's good to have you back, dude. Like you said, third time's a charm. Last time you've been on it was last November. It was around Thanksgiving, right before Christmas break. I think it was December 18th or 19th. I put that episode out and we talked about how good your year was and upcoming Leadville.
Speaker 2:Now, now all that has passed. Yeah, I, I um around. That time was actually right when I ran the backyard and and now it's gotten me. I didn't know at the time, but it ended up changing how this year played out. So yeah, yeah, it was a cool time to be alive, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you shared your outstanding year. I mean, dude, I saw you at Tartarus that one year and I was like dude, who's this guy? Who's this black sheep? Who's this up and coming kid? Was like dude, who's this guy? Who's this black sheep, who's this up-and-coming kid, you know who's this stud? Right, and then start falling. You start seeing you, start seeing you. You know you're doing some good right in the races, you know you do great in life and I'm just like, okay, this guy is somebody. So I was telling everybody about you. Hopefully they reached out. It's fine. But what I'm trying to get at is I'm going to ask you this question and I want you to be honest have you been on any other podcasts or been on blast by anybody else but me?
Speaker 2:no, I'm true to you, man. You're tried and true I'm just sticking with you. I was going to say I actually have been on one of the podcasts, but it was, um, it was after my maybe my second hinge date with this girl, and now she's my girlfriend, so like she had a podcast at the time. Okay, so that's the only other time I cheated on you. I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no what? What I'm trying to get at is have you been getting the recognition you deserve?
Speaker 2:I'd say more than more than enough. Uh, you know, I feel like it's not like necessarily I'm, I don't feel like I'm blowing up or anything like that and I and I don't think I should be at all, but um, I just I feel like people around me have like really given me positive encouragement, being like man you're really doing well and I've kind of I've tried to embrace it, and not in a not a cocky way, but in like try to embrace. Okay, I guess I am feel like I am making progress in the sport and doing something and I'm just trying to believe in that some more and take that encouragement and apply it to races, cause, if I think, if other people have believed in me, it allows me to go out and believe in myself more whenever the going gets tough. Yeah, I've noticed.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's not like I've been blowing up, but, but just people that I know have been encouraging me a lot.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, man, we'll continue being humble dude. It's just, it's incredible how humble you are with you know, just a list on what you've done in the past year. You know, and what you continue to do. So I'm just going to say, like, august we'll get to why you're on the podcast, but in August we're going to step back. You did Leadville 100.
Speaker 2:If it, wasn't for your friends.
Speaker 1:No one would know anything about that, but your friend was quite comical. But giving us the play-by-play levville 100 is not a walk in the park.
Speaker 2:But you came 11th overall right, yeah, uh, yeah, I did. And speaking of that, like it was the probably the race I had the most, I invited like a lot of my close friends and family to come and just be a part of it with me. So that that was the biggest takeaway for me is I used to kind of be secretive about these races for some reason, like I kind of just wanted to go out and do them and not even tell anyone about it. But and that was cool it and it had its own positive things to having such a private experience. But I've found that sharing the experience with people that I love most has just really elevated it for me, and I can see the joy on their face too. It's just been so positive all around. So to me, leadville is the best experience I've ever had in an ultra.
Speaker 1:But you are known as the guy with the crew. Man. You have the best crew, whether it's your parents, your, you know family, friends and stuff like that. You know you've always had this crew. But to say that you brought more in says a lot. So, Leadville, how was that experience, man? How many people you got 11th overall out of how many people I?
Speaker 2:think it was like 800 that started. It was. It felt like a marathon start line. Like I'm used to these ultras, you know you show up, uh, it's just in some like random dirt lot somewhere out in the middle of nowhere and you know there might be like 50 people there. Um, that's kind of how I started with ultras and um, it's always grassroots feeling, but this one felt like a big city marathon at the start line. It starts at 4.00 AM, so everybody's wearing headlamps. Um, it's just the the, their spectators lining the sides of the street and when the gun fires off, like I think the guy fires a shotgun to start it off and it just feels electric at the start line. And then pretty soon reality sets in, like okay, I'm gonna be out here a while, so I need to calm my nerves a bit, but the start line is pretty electric.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, throughout the whole segment too. Right, you know, out in the middle, yeah, yeah. So out of 1,100 starters, how many people finished? Though? I mean because it's not a walk in the park. A lot of people know about Leadville, other races, but you know, this is the big one. This isn't just some chump change. You know, like easy race, this is like big dog. This is a step right below Western States. You know, because Western got to qualify and everything else. But dude, leadville is no walk in the park. So 11th overall out of how many finishers?
Speaker 2:Gosh, I never actually looked at that, but I think it was slightly over half the field. So I think there was like 400, some odd like maybe four, 10 or something. Uh, yeah, it was. It was awesome because the race is, of course, is an outback. So you actually see, you know the majority of those people, um, and there's this, and the outback is at the pinnacle of the race when there is a summit of the mountain called Hope Pass, where it's like 3000 feet above, where you're sort of the average elevation of the race. So you're hitting people in a lot of people's lowest points and you're getting to see a lot of struggle during that period and you're struggling yourself. So it's it's a unique time to be seeing a lot of people on the course.
Speaker 1:But, knowing, hearing from your friends and just knowing the updates that they gave, I mean it seemed like you had a good day. You had a great day throughout that 100 miles man. So was there a lowest point and, if so, when was it in the race?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd say the low point actually came sort of at that turnaround point. So you summit Hope once and you go back down the backside of it to this sort of rolling seven mile stretch where you kind of feel a sense of despair because you just did the hardest part of the course and your legs are at this point trash and you're like my gosh, that was so hard. But guess what? You got to turn around and do it again. So at that point you you kind of in a way, lose some hope. Like I was just remembering like I don't feel great and I got to go climb 3,000 feet again at, uh, at 12,000 feet of altitude and I just kind of hit a very bad mental stretch and I just remember just telling myself like keep moving forward at a at least a moderate speed, Like you'll get through this. And it took a couple of hours but eventually I got through that low point. Um, but that was definitely the worst, the worst mental part of the race for me. Just a lot of doubt crept in.
Speaker 1:Okay did you run into any uh big names along the trail?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, like uh, as I was going outside, as soon as I came back down on the flatter part of the back side of that mountain, um, that's when I saw david roach running by, I saw adrian mcdonald coming behind him and then brian montgomery was a decent ways back from them, but not too far, like he was still pressing hot on their heels. And actually David Roach said he ran every foot of that course, and I believe him because I saw him running up the steepest part of hope, which was just like I couldn't believe it because I was hunched over on my poles hiking up that thing. So yeah, it was very impressive those guys over on my poles hiking up that thing.
Speaker 2:It was very impressive. Those guys are on another tier.
Speaker 1:Your splits were perfect too. You gained so much. Every update was like you gain on people and then you finish 11th. Overall outstanding job, Positive experience overall.
Speaker 2:It was such a positive experience. I actually think I'm going to try and go back next year and, you know, hopefully I'm going to see some of my buddies and my family will go back out with me.
Speaker 1:So I think I can prove upon.
Speaker 2:I would like to maybe do an hour better or so. So super positive experience the best time I've ever had an ultra did you turn any heads?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Did anybody like say who this kid is, who's, who's beau shelby?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think I I listened to a couple podcasts and I actually did hear my name mentioned, but it was just, like you know, someone reading off the top 10, I think. I think, um I've definitely earned or I don't know, but I've definitely um been able to talk some of my friends and and you know, it's really cool to be able to talk to them, but I don't think it's necessarily blowing up, like I said, but that's totally fine. I don't think it should with with where I finish you know, I don't know, man, I'm dude out of nowhere.
Speaker 1:Like I said, dude, you've come out of nowhere and you're conquering these feats, dude. Uh, okay, we'll continue. We'll continue. All right, may you did quad rock 50 came seventh overall all right march behind the rocks, 50k, eighth overall. I mean these are all big races, they're not like small dinky ones that you know just random.
Speaker 2:Uh, locals do correct yeah, that's true, I'd say behind the rocks was probably the most local of those races. But um, I during that race I think that was to me I was disappointed in how that one turned out. Just because I came in with a. I just had a lot of anxiety, I think in my life outside of running at that time and it kind of transferred over into the race. I just felt like I couldn't get my head right and the whole back half of the course I was just really struggling. So that was a really honestly, out of the all the races I did this year, that 50k was the toughest race that I did mentally of all of them is it because?
Speaker 1:it's a faster it's faster race, it's 50k instead of 50 miles to 100 220, which we will get at. But yeah, is it, is it, is it just?
Speaker 2:different. Yeah, yeah, to me, like the, to me, the worst or the hardest race in the world is a 5k, like you got to sprint that thing. So the closer you get to to a 5k, uh, the harder it gets. I it's just a completely different type of an experience, like the pain is very sharp and in your face and just um, you, gotta, you, you. It comes on immediately. It feels like. And to me, a 50k at this point but given the races I've kind of been leaning towards, feels like more of a sprint, so I put a lot of pressure on myself to to hit that. You know that, that vo2 max type effort, whereas opposed to I'm going a hundred miles. I feel like it's more of like a numb, numbness, pain, like a very discomforting thing, but it's not a sharp, abrupt thing.
Speaker 1:If that makes sense. Yes, I got you my. My question side question is where do you get the drive from man to just do the things you do?
Speaker 2:that's a good point or a good question. Um, a lot of it just is curiosity. At the end of the day, like I'm very curious what my body could do, and I've never thought it was that. I've never thought that what I'm doing is that weird. I'm just very curious about, like, what is the body capable of? Even in other sports, like I watch, uh, ufc, and I'm curious what those guys can do. Of course, I can't do what they do, but, like, for me it's a lot of curiosity on the ultra running side. What can I accomplish with this body I was given? And, um, also, just, I think some part of it too is just like I have always wanted to make my parents and family proud and and I feel like this is it sounds silly, but this is like one way I can do that as well, so I think part of it comes from there.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. Got some other questions, but I can wait. All right, recently, the reason why you're here, dude, you're big time now, dude, in my book you've been big time, but, dude, all right. Before getting further, recently ran laz's, barry cantrell's big dog backyard last man standing in bell buckle, tennessee, right, yeah, okay, now they're satellites. You know, people don't know too much about backyards, but they're satellite races. You're going against algeria, you're going against 60 other nations, including belgium, which, dude, no one one could match those guys. Dude, they're on a different level, man, I don't know how they do what they do. I don't know how you guys do what you do. I mean, I do, but I don't. But it's like, oh my God, backyard runners qualify for the Big Dog's backyard, correct?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, 15 in each country, so same is true for USA.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, so top 15 runners. So you were one of the top 15 runners. Backyards to make this Big Dog Ultra. Make it happen. I mean you ran against Matt Shepard, who's in Canada you know he does Canada but then you're running alongside freaking Harvey Lewis, the man Dude. How was that, by the way?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I couldn't believe't. I was so starstruck. I remember, like knowing that this experience is about to happen to me, like oh my gosh, I gotta play. It so cool when I meet this guy I can't act like a fan fan boy, um.
Speaker 2:So, uh, I kind of let. I tried to play cool, you know, the first couple hours, like okay, I don't need to be chatting with harvey, like getting up in his face. But um, after a few hours said, and I just naturally was running the same pace as him and pretty soon I found myself, you know, chatting with him for a couple hours straight about this random stuff like, um, elon musk and and how he holds his, his, uh, high school classes and all this stuff. It was just it felt it was very surreal to be talking to a guy I've admired so much and it was just such a normal, everyday kind of conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty cool. He even had you on his page, didn't he? I believe he did on a video or something. Oh, he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, that was the morning of day three. I was just like, oh my God, I felt so out of it. Here he was like doing a FaceTime, like filming all of us, and he asked us all a question and no one answered.
Speaker 1:so I I don't even remember what it was, but I just remember feeling so out of it trying to answer a question on his social media so, with all that said, running with Harvey Lewis and you know, going against the Belgians and the rest of the world, 60 other nations, man, how did this come about? How did it go? I remember you putting on a Instagram or Facebook, just like a little shout out, that you know you got a call to compete and you're going to compete. And I was like what?
Speaker 2:the heck.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh dude, that's awesome, have fun you know just fanboying out, but how did it feel when you got?
Speaker 2:the call. Yeah, so going back a year ago is whenever I did the silver ticket race, which, if I would have won that one, I would have got automatic entry. So the guy who beat me his name is greg fall. Um, he got in automatically for winning that race, but my mileage was good enough to get me on the wait list and so I was, you know, second in line. I found out about a couple of months ago. Hey, you know, I did well, I got 17th for the U? S, but I'm not quite good or like going to get on the team. But as the weeks and weeks got closer, one guy dropped out and bumped me up to first on the wait list and then, you know, I still didn't think I was going to get into the race at all, so I I wasn't even planning on it. But then, the week before the race actually happened, um, dan Yovashin, who we've actually both ran with I don't know if you remember him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He actually had to pull out. I'm not really sure exactly why, but it was some injury related, I believe. But that bumped me onto the list with a week to go and at the time I was playing golf with my parents just on a Friday night. You know, I was visiting them and just hanging out casually. Then all of a sudden I'm sitting in the golf cart and I'm just having a mini like not panic attack, but freak out like in an excited way, like I can't believe. I just got this email and I remember having to contemplate it for like a couple of hours, cause it really is like a big thing you're going to step into, like yeah, running 200 miles is not like a trivial task. Like I had to really mentally say do I really want to do this? So I contemplated for just a second but I was like of course I have. To like when is this opportunity going to come around again? And I can't say, uh, my golf game was very good, that that evening I was very distracted and partying up right with the parents.
Speaker 1:Come on, exactly right.
Speaker 2:So, like you got an email from laz himself or his team so I actually first noticed it off of a Facebook message from one of the other athletes running. They were like hey bro, check your email. Like uh, are people blowing up your phone? And I don't know if you remember this guy named Tracy outlaw, but he covers the, he covers the sport backyard. Yeah, and he does a really good job. He's probably like the, the guy that covers the sport.
Speaker 1:Um, and I saw a message from him.
Speaker 2:So I was like I better pay attention. And um, yeah, pretty soon I saw laz. Like laz does type very, he I feel like he tells very interesting stories, but whenever he just types messages there you can tell they're very quickly put together like it doesn't follow like a grammatical, like how you were taught in english class. So I just got like one of those shorthand messages from him. I was like okay, nice, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Man, laz himself man, he's a pretty interesting guy, I hear man.
Speaker 2:Oh, definitely, yeah, I can't. I again I was starstruck, coming into me because he's like this larger than life, like cult than life, like cult cult figure that you're coming in to meet, and my first impression I just like I was like okay, don't approach him too soon, like this, you know, play cool, but don't embarrass yourself here, man. Um, I come up and he he was in his own element, like he was, uh, hanging all the flags for the countries, so I didn't want to interrupt his process because he was going one by one into his house grabbing a flag, walking all the way out Like it had to be like 50 yards and he would do it just one at a time, so he wouldn't.
Speaker 2:It was a very inefficient process, but it was his process, you know.
Speaker 1:He does have a weird yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say weird.
Speaker 1:It's just he's. He's unique man, he's a unique guy. I mean, he, he's the master of backyards but and he smokes. You know, it's like okay, dude, I don't know how that can work.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:It's, it's awesome yeah, you're in the race with harvey lewis and other guys you know and other satellites around the the world and everything else. And knowing who you're up against, I mean, how did you feel with the big dogs, dude?
Speaker 2:no pun intended literally, yeah, I did feel. I did feel like I was with the big dogs. Uh, um, I would say, to be honest, I felt a little anxious about the whole experience, like I just kind of came in, I wasn't yet, I didn't have my full block of training Like I normally would coming into one of these races, cause I didn't know I was going to be running it. So that took some anxiety and the realization of like what was happening was setting in as the first few hours unfolded in the race. So there was some anxiety there, but mostly it was just excitement. I couldn't believe I was given the opportunity to run with, in some instances, my idols like Harvey Lewis very much look up to that guy. Heck, yeah, and even other than him, there are other huge people in the field as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who's Scott Snell, the guy that won it, dude, who's that guy? I've never heard of him, and it's just he's from New Jersey, dude, it's like what the thing is.
Speaker 2:he's such a beast, even though he's relatively unknown. I know he has somewhat of a following, but he still goes out and crushes it at bagyards on the regular, like if you look at his track record, he's. He's a beast. And I actually got to talking with Scott very early on in the race about we just were chatting it up and I was talking about a book I was reading at the time and it's called Man's Search for Meaning. And it's all about how you've read it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I it. Oh yeah, I love that book, man yeah it's amazing.
Speaker 2:It's all about how you find meaning in your suffering. And right from the get-go we connected on that and I just felt like, oh man, this guy's got his head on straight. I think this guy's got it, like, at least he's got something to him. I didn't know if he was going to win at the time, but you could tell he was in a good mental state about what was about to unfold when it came to suffering ahead of him.
Speaker 1:When you say you're chatting it up, right, when you say you're chatting it up and others are chatting it up, is that your guys' way of seeing who has the mental fortitude to go all the way? Is that your guys's test, your only way to get mind games in and to see if, where they're at, where they're gonna go, how far is that your guys's way to do it?
Speaker 2:is that your guys's way to do it? Fill them out, yeah, um, I think early on in a in a backyard. I think it would be maybe foolish to try to play mind games the first day, right because, I feel like, really, you're just going to get your own head about it.
Speaker 2:But I will say, uh, in previous backyards there definitely is mind games that happen and chatting it up, like when you're talking to people, is certainly positive. Like trying to act even if you're not feeling great. Trying to act like, hey, I've got, I can still speak coherently, I can form full thoughts. A lot of times is enough to to get in the other person's head. But at this race in particular, um, at this backyard event, we were really working as a team. It truly was, um, a team event, even to the point where harvey was like giving us tips on like hey guys, like if you really want to go far, you gotta be super conservative early. So I'd never been a part of an experience like that where it really was a team event and we were all working together.
Speaker 1:So I I like that aspect of it yeah, yeah, it's, it's the uh olympics for the backyard man. That's how big this thing is it felt like it. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome all right, yeah, good, all right. So Scott Snell, man his mileage alone.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, absolutely killed it.
Speaker 1:Right. But then the guys that won it, I mean the Belgian guys, the Belgian crew man, they knocked it out of the park. I mean almost 100 miles more than Scott you know, and when hearing that did you know Belgium was that huge when it came to backyards I did beforehand, um, definitely.
Speaker 2:but I and even just had my own curiosity was listening to events or podcasts leading up to the event, and the belgians and australians were mentioned a lot. But I've seen, uh, I watched that one year where, for the first time ever, runners broke the a hundred hour threshold in the event and it was two Belgian guys who just, you know, just doing their thing, uh right, so I knew that they were. They were definitely on our radar for sure.
Speaker 1:So to compete, to compete with them and know that you're one of the 15, how did it feel, just going and doing your thing, doing the miles you did? Yes, you beat a lot of people around the world and in the States yes, canada and Mexico. How were you feeling throughout this whole ordeal, man, just knowing you're here, you're top 15.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it. I think a little early was anxiety, but that pretty soon I think it was there under the surface a little bit, just because it feels like such a big deal. But yeah, for the most part it was just excitement and it was more of like I just want to enjoy this. I, I think to me I just wanted to soak up the entire experience, like who knows how many times I'll get to do this again, if ever.
Speaker 2:So for this one time I'm here, um, I'm going to look around and pay attention to what's happening around me and chat with some of the best runners in the world. And pay attention to what's happening around me and chat with some of the best runners in the world and just try to enjoy it. But as the miles go along, of course you inevitably get tired and it becomes a real race at that point and you have to. That's when you start having to be like okay, I got to take care of myself, I got to make sure I can actually perform for the team and help the team out get the miles they need. Um, so it does eventually become not so fun in games.
Speaker 1:it becomes a serious matter at some point yeah yeah yeah, I notice it starts with with you and your team, meaning your crew. Uh, when you start hallucinating, that's when you start questioning yourself. That's the only time you start questioning yourself and your ability to go on further. Is that the worst part of the race for you?
Speaker 2:I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a struggle, because it certainly is a struggle. But it's weird because when I'm in that mental state, it's like I want to get there, it's like a. It feels like an accomplishment to get to that state of hallucination, because it you only get to experience that a few times in life, where you're pushing your body so hard and you're deprived of sleep, where it sounds weird but it actually it does feel like a a cool zone to be in and in some ways it is, uh, very unique to be having these hallucinations. But at the same time, um, it certainly is a struggle because you're I feel like you're mentally the weakest when you're tired and you're something about the sun going down and just being dark outside. Yeah, um, you're. I remember it was the most tired I've ever been, I've probably ever felt in my life. All I could think about on those night laps was I have to get back as quick as possible so that I can go to sleep. That was all I could think about. So I was just like trying to get them done super quickly, and then the worst part of it was you. I would fall asleep immediately and have like such a deep sleep there.
Speaker 2:At one point I woke up and had no idea where I was anymore. I was like, am I in a race or what's happening? And I remember waking up and it was cold at night it was. I don't remember what it got, I think it was in the high thirties, but they, uh my brother was like okay, it's time to go back out. You've got like a minute left. Put your shoes on. And to me, like this sense of dread. I'm not a morning person, so like waking up in the morning is one of the hardest things I do every day. And like getting you know, like getting out of bed, the out of it when it's cold outside. So that was probably one of the hardest experiences was getting out of that bed, getting to the start line. That's honestly the hardest part is getting back to the start line. That's that like sorry, the, the like 20 feet distance, um is the hardest part what?
Speaker 1:what made you? What allowed you to go on to the 20 feet to the start of the bell?
Speaker 2:um, a lot of it is you. I told my crew ahead of time like guys, I'm gonna at some point I'm gonna get cranky. I'm gonna get like a little bit unhappy. You know what. Like ignore that and just force me to go to the start line. Like you're not allowed to let me complain. So a lot of it was just like on my crew. They picked me up and got me in there Like it was no nonsense. Like you're getting back on the start line.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your crew does a fantastic job on updating viewers or your fans and everything else, and I was just curious do you ever look back and see what they wrote or what stories they put on for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do. I really find it very interesting to see it from their perspective, because I think right afterwards, I feel like I just need to process the experience. I kind of don't like to be on social media like right afterwards in the couple days after, but because it just still feels so overwhelming what I just went through. But, um, pretty soon after that I'd love to see uh, in this case, my brother was the one relaying messages and to see, like, through his words and his eyes, you know what was the experience like and it's uh, I love sharing this, these experiences. I think, if people that do ultras, you should share these experiences with people you love most, because there's something about it where it's like a very emotional experience and it draws people together. Um, so, yeah, it was a very special experience when you had to say I'm done.
Speaker 1:What does the crew? What do you say to the crew? And like, do you have a, a word saying, hey, this is the word that if I say it, that means I'm done, or you know a safe word, or what, what? How do you tell your crew that you're officially done? How?
Speaker 2:do you go about?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 2:I've never thought about that. Yeah, having a safe word, um, I feel like if I did have one of those, I would start abusing it early. Yeah, uh, I okay. So during this race I had kind of indicated like, oh man, I re that. Second night I just kind of started hurting, um, and I had told them I just all I want to do is make it to 200. All I want to do is make it 200.
Speaker 2:And at the time, you know, I thought that might be my limit, um, for what I could do. So at the time I was having a moment of weakness, you know, um. So so it's hard to say exactly what the communication looks like. But, um, at the end of the day, whenever I dropped, this time it was more, uh, I was really struggling just to complete the lap on time, I was having trouble with my Achilles and just a really tough mental battle all combined at once. Um it just if you have a lapse, a mental lapse, even for an hour, you know it can kick you out of the race. It's pretty brutal. So, uh, it's just kind of a culmination of things that ended up having to drop all at once. Kind of a culmination of things that ended up having to drop all at once.
Speaker 1:Did you drop during the four miles or did you drop after the four miles, like right before start?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ended up dropping during, so I went out for the lap. So I or sorry to back up I went out the lap before um, and it came in with literally like a minute to spare, because the course is kind of hard, and so even when I was felt like I was running the entire course, I still came in with only a minute left. I was like how did that happen? And so I was kind of already in a pretty low mental state, sent me back out on the lap and my Achilles was really bothering me.
Speaker 2:I couldn't hardly flex my foot and push off of my toes, so I was struggling to push up the heels there's a lot of heels on the course and, um, at a certain point in the middle of the lap I sat down to like try and fix my compression socks and sleeves. So I took all that off and I tried to put my socks back on and shoes and start running again and something about just like sitting down in that middle of the lap. Um, I just like I can't go anymore. So I think ultimately I hit a really low mental state, uh, a mental point in the lap which ultimately did me in because you can push through. I've learned that you can push through pain and even yeah, even bodily, almost like pushing too far at some points. You can still push through it if you really want to, but I didn't know if I wanted to push to the point of injury on this one.
Speaker 1:So how's your Achilles now? It's doing much better.
Speaker 2:I feel like if I would have kept going, it could be in a much worse state. So, ultimately, if I had to give a reason for why I ended up dropping, I would say mentally was probably the biggest reason, but I'm thankful at the same time that I don't have any injuries at this point. It's a weird balance you got to strike. You got to know what's best for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly, exactly, and this is the furthest you've ever been or gone, right.
Speaker 2:No, I actually came up literally just four hours short of my PR. It was so close and that was like on my mind like I got to just hit this mark and it just it. It was kind of crazy how much harder it got. Like, once it gets hard, the it's like an exponential chart it gets way harder, um, very quickly. Yeah, it was my experience at least, and and I I thought I could make it and it just didn't happen that day.
Speaker 1:So I, I snickered, not out of, uh, disrespect, but I snickered because just four hours, just four hours, dude. Four hours equals what? 17 miles, dude, you know. And so to tell the people how many, how many hours were you out there this last time at big dogs?
Speaker 2:I was out there 53 hours and so at the time you know, four hours seems like oh my gosh, that's such a brief period of time. You have to remind yourself during races like this. This is temporary, it's not my life. Eventually, this experience will end. You just have to remind yourself of that. Four hours at a time felt shorter.
Speaker 1:You're shy of 221 miles, dude, you did 220.83 miles, dude. Fantastic job, dude, fabulous job. Fantastic job, dude, fabulous, outstanding job. Man, four hours more. I mean you could have been what? Probably old, uh or or an achilles, and been maybe what? 230 something, 34 miles in injury and everything. So I don't know, man, you did it smart and dude. I'm proud of you, man, and I'm pretty sure your brother and everybody else is proud of you. You can do anything. Thank you, you can do anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I think for now I'm going to take a break, just for a little bit.
Speaker 1:You say that every year Exactly.
Speaker 2:See, you know, but in my head right now I'm going to take a break for a bit and focus more on I've got some things I'm excited to do. I want to do some 100 milers and then I also want to try this like 24-hour track race format. So I got some other goals, but I don't think the backyard. I don't think I'm done with the backyard yet, but I'm done for a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, what? What if Harvey calls you and say, hey, join me, you'll. You'll do it. Right, you'll do it. Yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:You can't say no to Harvey.
Speaker 1:Right, I can't believe you had a conversation with the guy man. I mean dude, I've followed that guy for years and just to know what he does, what he, what he means to the community, what he means to the sport, dude, it's um, no one lives that life like he does. And you know, running to work, running after.
Speaker 2:He does it the right way. I mean, he's just yeah, and he's like very sincere, yeah, yeah, I like that guy a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's that's awesome, man. That that's awesome that you, you were able to take this moment and just have fun, make it your own and still be top dog, not in my book, but in everybody's book, because, dude, you, you knocked it out of the park, you beat a lot of people that did, you know, in other nations by a lot. So, dude, something to be proud of.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it, it was. It was just cool to be out there, you know, even like running with the guy I ran with last year again I didn't really get to talk guy I ran with last year again I I didn't really get to talk to greg much um in last year's race because it was all of a sudden it was just me and him and we were at that point so tired and and just barely able to grunt. It was like all that we could communicate later in the race. But this year, you know, just getting to chat with him about what we went through the year before, there were just so many like little aspects, yeah, of this year's race that that were just such a positive experience.
Speaker 1:Okay when you weren't chatting it up, man, what were you listening to? Were you listening to music, books? What?
Speaker 2:so, yeah, I'm, I am someone who likes to zone out to stuff like that. Um, so the first day after a few hours we're out there, we get to know everybody. I wanted to listen to my. I went to the University of Oklahoma and they were playing a football game, so I wanted to listen to that while I was running. So I put on my headphones, turn on the game and all of a sudden I find out it's 28 to zero in the first quarter. I'm like, and we're getting beat, our door's blown in. I'm like I can't be listening to this while I'm running there. This is not worth worth even tuning into. And at the same time I found out we're not allowed to listen to stuff during the day. So apparently that that was a rule I wasn't aware of. So I immediately like, okay, I can't have these headphones on, but at nighttime, um, I had the voice of Matthew McConaughey in my ears.
Speaker 1:Oh, his book. Yeah, all right, all right, it was very soothing, very, very soothing, and uh just kind of took me out.
Speaker 2:Um, let me transport to a different place for a while, while I was having a hard time.
Speaker 1:Man who transport to a different place for a while while I was having a hard time. Man who who would have thought a boomer sooner, would be listening to a longhorn.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't tell anybody well, hey, hey, boomer center, here too, man. So, yeah, here we go, yeah, yeah. So, uh, let's, let's bring back just a tad bit, man. Why the distance, the distance, why the range and distance, especially throughout the year? You started with the 50K. I know a lot of people like to start off something small and warm up, but then you go 50, then you go up to 100. Nothing easy, 100 mountainous race and then you go 220 miles. Is that the flow from now on? Is that you're just your 50, is your warm-up, and then do, or why? Why are you doing the distance you do?
Speaker 2:yeah, I would say it's not necessarily going to be my flow going forward, but I generally believe who knows if this is entirely true I think there's some truth to this. But, um, the best type, the best way to perform well and like, get better, is to be well-rounded. I think, um, to me, my least favorite part of, like, least favorite thing to train and running is the speed aspect, because to me it it just really whenever you're having a hard workout, it's is the speed aspect, cause to me it it just really whenever you're having a hard workout, it's it really is brutal sometimes when you're training, that speed Um. So to me, I wanted to, you know, force myself to hey, I need to have a block where I'm focusing on getting faster and that's going to make the longer races, um, at a slower speed, feel easier, because I know I can hit this upper gear where I'm running whatever pace. But during the 100 mile race I might only have to run a pace that's two to three minutes slower than that so it can feel it can make the longer distances feel way easier.
Speaker 2:And then, on the other extreme, on the, on the the very long the races like the one I just did, the 220 miler. There's something about it where it helps your mental game a lot, because whenever I go back to that 100 mile distance when I did leadville, leadville felt like a sprint in a lot of ways, like it felt like a race where you got to be on it the entire time, no breaks, stay, stay engaged and and I think it helped just frame that experience differently because it's all perception at the end of the day. So if you can have the wide range of experiences, then it can make. For me, the 100-mile distance is my main focus at this point and it can make that experience easier in a lot of different ways, just because you're broadening your perception of what's possible.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, well, yeah, ledville is no breaks at all, man, it's all pedal to the metal man. So what? 11 out? Of 800 starter. Come on, uh what. What was your time in ledville?
Speaker 2:uh, 18 hours and 35 minutes in ledville. Yes, I was trying to go over my.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying in ledville under 20, you dude. You did a 24 hour ledville, okay, less than 24 hour dude yeah, I still think I noticed.
Speaker 2:I was like, and as soon as the race was over, I was like okay, I could cut some time off here. I think I could do this better and like I'm already thinking about like what can I do better?
Speaker 1:okay, well, I'm just trying to, you know, let the listeners know and put things in perspective. Dude, especially, it's like just knowing that you can do better. At Leadville you did 18 hours. A lot of people do a hundred hours and 30 something, a hundred miles and 30 something hours. You know what I mean. And it's just like, oh my God, this guy it's unbelievable man Running, running. Why run? Why run and how did it start? I'm telling you I believe I asked you this and we never get to the answer Like, please, yeah, fill me in. Why running, dude? I know you, your parents, you want to make them proud, but there's other ways of doing it. But why running? Because you've mastered it, you've conquered it and you continue to conquer it. So what about? Running brings you to continue to run the way you're running, if it makes sense yeah, it does.
Speaker 2:Um gosh, that's, that's, uh, that is a loaded question in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, I was going question after question after question but, like I've been trying to get you to answer that yeah. And then I'm just like how did this all start, man, you know?
Speaker 2:so yeah I'll maybe answer the I think I'm going to discover this the the why, as I'm talking through it. But, uh, I'll answer the how I got into it and kind of, okay, I can tie it to the, tie it to the why. Um, if not, it's okay, but it's just I want.
Speaker 1:I've been wanting to know and needing to know, just because, dude, it's like, bro, do you understand how good you are? And I'm just like, how do you know? How do you know you're, you know, able to do Leadville the time? You did? You know, go team USA, you know so?
Speaker 2:I just want to. It's something that I think we're all trying to figure out too, and we we find different. The thing is like I think you find different answers to the questions at different points in your life. Like, but just to explain kind of where I came from, I don't think I gave that backstory necessarily before raised in a small town and my dad was into running, like I've told, I've relayed and um, something about it. Like I just started going out with on runs with him and pretty quickly I realized like hey, I want to train for the Olympics, like that I. That realization hit me when I was five years old. Something was just naturally ingrained in me and.
Speaker 2:I think part of it was because I was watching the behavior of my dad, but also something was just with my personality just had me drawn towards that. So even at the age of five I gave up soda, I started training, thinking I was going to try and get to the Olympics one day, and that that kind of instinct has just never died in me. I've always. I know that I'm not going to make the Olympics, but I still have big ambitions, just in sports in general.
Speaker 2:I think there's something to sports about the struggle of the experience, no matter what sport you play, and there's something um very, very real about it. You can't avoid it, something um very, very real about it. You can't avoid it, like in a lot of our daily lives. You can, you can seek comfort in a lot of areas, but it's very rare that we seek discomfort and struggle, and so this is one area where you can press into that discomfort. You can press into that struggle. You can meet it head on and you know, you can feel you can push through it and come out on the other side and find like a new respect for yourself and find um a lot of power in the experience, because it it. It's something you, we don't experience a lot of day, a lot of times in modern life is that is, meeting that struggle head on, and it just makes to me, it makes me feel more alive than anything else in the world.
Speaker 2:Like you, you have to be so present in those experiences because you have no other option.
Speaker 2:It's you're just totally aware of what's happening to you and you're choosing to press into that experience even more so to me, it just it invigorates me, it makes me feel more alive than anything else I've ever done and that's why I keep coming back is it's hard but it's worth it? Yeah, okay, and it pays off in the long run. Mentally, emotionally, physically yeah, I'd say there's definitely still struggles in my day-to-day life and there's areas I want to improve and in some regards like maybe if I backed off running, I would be able to address those more. But at the same time, I think the benefits I get from running and the benefits I get from um, really going to these, these depths, is is going to serve me well through any experience in life, because I know that struggle is temporary and if you find a purpose in your struggle, then then um, there's, you know, you'll be able to push through it and come out on the other side stronger. So I think running has has just made me feel more confident in in approaching life in general.
Speaker 1:Okay, and you're running too, hopefully. Oh, and in running, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying like I've noticed your confidence level, man ever you know. Third time's a charm, I start noticing dude your confidence and the way dude you're approaching these races is he and and definitely got it dialed in. So how long do you think you'll be doing this for man like you? Run until the day you die. Compete the way you are. For how long? What man?
Speaker 2:gosh, I sure would like to run till till the day I die. You know, I envision I look into the future and the one thing that doesn't I I don't think I'm generally sad about growing older. Um, I, I look forward to the day whenever I'm like this hunchback white-haired man, you know, just slugging along like at a very slow pace but just still getting it done, like I. I look forward to being able to do that. So I'm hoping that one day I can. Um, and yeah, and especially in ultra running, like you, you don't hit your prime a lot of times till you're closer to 40. So so I'm, I'm looking forward to trying to improve up until that point and maybe, if you're beyond, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, look at Max King. I mean dude's ageless wonder bro Killing.
Speaker 2:Oh, is he that old? I had no idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's older than I am like 40 yeah, 40, 4, 45, I think something like that. That is wildly impressive.
Speaker 2:I'm just so impressed by those guys. It just makes me want to see if that's possible too.
Speaker 1:So see, I don't know if you're messing with us or what, man, but dude, it's like you know, you're impressive, bro, like seriously the stuff that you're doing, man. So so, with running with the big guys, doing what you did in Labville, seeing the game, as is man, the recognition it's coming.
Speaker 2:You know, I think I'll let that come where it may. Yeah, I did get a sponsorship this past year, so in that way I'd ask you yeah, I did get my first sponsorship, which was awesome. I never actually thought it would happen, but someone in the Golden is just staying healthy. I've been able to not have to take long periods off to try and recover, um, so I owe a lot of credit, I think, to to golden endurance physical therapy for, you know, keeping me, keeping me ready and healthy to run, not overdoing it a lot. You know, with a lot of runners and with a lot of my friends, I see a lot of people getting really gung ho about the sport which is so exciting, but you can push too hard and you burn yourself out or get injured, and it's nice to have someone with some their brains, you know, pulling you back. So that's what I've got in my corner now.
Speaker 1:Sponsors. Man, that's awesome dude. So so he flips the bill? Yes, no, you don't. Just I just asked that question. So what's next man? What's next for you? What? You're taking a break, we know it's winter time, you take a break, but you don't. But you do. So. Next race on the calendar? Which one? Yeah what do?
Speaker 2:you have, where I always just these, these kind of almost like obsessions will just pop up for me, where I'm like I start learning about a new race and I'm like I gotta try this. So my latest obsession is the 24-hour race. I really me. It's a nice amalgamation of the 100-mile distance like that pushing that you get from that where you're really feeling like you're racing, and then the backyard where you're feeling like you're just out there going into the deep, dark despair of unknown mileage. I think there's just this nice crossover in the 24 hour race where you're trying to rack up as many miles as you can, um, and it's in that time period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in a fixed course. And a fixed course, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the monotonous, uh, the lap. The laps will be even shorter than the backyard. It's going to be a quarter mile.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know, I know, know. Do they, do they switch it on you, like at night time? Do you go to the opposite way, or are you going the same same way the whole?
Speaker 2:time. Yeah, I've heard they switch it. I guess each race might do it differently, but yeah, I heard they switch it roughly like every four hours yeah, because it could be dangerous on the legs man yeah, seriously, you gotta like start doing one-legged squats on the right leg if you're gonna go around the serious counterclockwise track.
Speaker 1:So uh, who? You do your calendar right, no one else does. Parents don't say, hey, you should do this, I'll give it a shot. Or who does a calendar man?
Speaker 2:I'd say I do it, um, it's and it's not even. Sometimes I'll even not make it out for the entire year and just kind of make it up as I go throughout the year. But I've been running it by my coach and he's like, yeah, honestly, just whatever you're most passionate about, is the the thing that you're. That's where you're going to perform the best. So find out where your passion is and then build your calendar around that. So that's what I but you're going to perform the best. So find out where your passion is and then build your calendar around that.
Speaker 1:So that's what I but you're very precise too, man, you're very precise. You don't do a race once a month, you don't do it twice a month, you do it every other month. You're very selected and, dude, it seems like you're not getting burned out. It seems like you're taking each race and dude it's. It seems like you know you're not getting burned out, seems like you know you're taking each race and owning it. You know you don't have to win it to. You know to be in it, but you're owning it, dude. And that's the thing that I've noticed about you, man you're consistent, dude you're just a go-getter man, you're a're a go-getter and I and I love the fact that.
Speaker 1:you know you're my buddy, my friend. You know I ran with you. You know I didn't run with you because I did the pack, but just knowing, just seeing you out there, knowing what you're capable of doing and and calling you as is being the dark horse that race, dude, you're continued to be a dark horse. You continue to. You know, blow my mind, I'm pretty sure you blow your parents' minds. And just knowing what your body is capable of doing, dude, it's just a unbelievable feat, dude. And um, you should never question on your parents being proud of you, dude, for real, they're, they're proud of you man and um, them crewing you is a sure sign of them being proud of you, dude. So just know you don't always you don't have to show them, dude, you're showing yourself, you're showing the world what Bo Shelby is capable of doing, dude. And I know people are like dude, you fan boy, the hell out of him. I don't care, dude, bo is a a good guy, he's a great guy and man, he's just quite the athlete.
Speaker 2:so, bo, take it, dude I appreciate you saying all that nick. Um, yeah, I just, I, I really appreciate you. Uh, who knew that we would be, you know, staying in touch and and keeping this friendship after we just met in spokane, when you were lugging around what 50 pounds on your back a lot because we were both running in circles because my body mass index is a little bigger than the 100, and I think it's 150.
Speaker 1:165. People put 25 on there, but if you're over that you have to do 35, so yeah, 35 pounds, dude, so yeah I felt bad for you guys.
Speaker 2:Y'all were like carrying these huge backpacks like oh, yeah, oh yeah that's a whole nother kind of thing. I that's a nice crossover of, uh, strength and endurance. It hurts. Yeah, I can imagine it looks very challenging. I've done a backpacking trip and 15 miles was like, oh my gosh, like it felt like an ultra marathon just to carry around that kind of weight. So that's a warm-up for me. Yeah, I believe you were. You were chugging right along so did we get everything.
Speaker 1:Do you want to add anything, man, did I um?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to try to, I tried to jot down some like thoughts on the uh experience. Yeah, just just to see, I thought I I will say just like with a tidbit um, one thing that I can't believe I didn't mention at this point that was pretty hilarious during the event was Laz. So Laz was the one ringing the bell each hour, sending us off on our way, and every hour he would say the same words. He would say happy times are here again. Happy times. That was what we had to send us off into the unknown um, and at first it was very comical and it soon became like almost haunting in a way, as he would like scream it at us at like 3 am in the morning yeah but, um, I knew I wanted to tell that experience just because it's so angry.
Speaker 2:I could so vividly picture it in my my head.
Speaker 1:But that's the only like him if you guys, uh, watch barkley, you know that marathon, the barkley marathon, you, you can hear, yeah, the way you describe it, yeah, I could see it. And it can be haunting too, because not only was it in October, near Halloween, but you know it's an old guy who smokes chain smokes and just happy time very unique person one of a kind yeah, alright, man, so we gonna meet up again or shoot.
Speaker 2:I sure would like to keep the train rolling because I'm still gonna do podcasting.
Speaker 1:I just got a few things to take care of as I get a wink yeah, I appreciate, I appreciate you know you, you getting me like I've had quite a funk, I have had quite a year, man, and you asking me and also reminding me on putting you on the podcast, dude, it means a lot. It means more than you think and know and feel, dude, and I was looking forward to this, this episode today, when you reminded me and I'm just like, dude, I can't fail, I can't fail, I got it, I got a show bow.
Speaker 2:I can do it. You like, dude, I can't fail, I can't fail, I got it.
Speaker 1:I got to show Bo. I can do it. You know I have to.
Speaker 2:I have to.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he if he heard the news. But I, you know, I told you the news and you respected that and I respect you, man, and uh, I I hope episode didn't fail you at all. And man, it just it's great to know that people want to come back praise me for what I do, even though I don't think I do it. I just conversationalist who likes to ramble and ask question after question.
Speaker 2:So no, I, I, uh, I love hearing what you do Like, and I've actually met some people through your podcast just cause you. You know you have just easy conversations and are able to just um meet a wide array of people and you've connected me with, with people back home. So, um, nice, I really appreciate you and what you do and I think you do a great job of it. So I don't think there's any failure, failure to be had here on this.
Speaker 1:All right, good you know what I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk to somebody else, dude, I'm gonna talk to somebody else. He does sub ultras anyways. But I'm gonna be like, dude, I'm gonna hit him up. He started the podcast a podcast, uh, because I was in his inspiration. But I'm gonna hit him up and say, hey, dude, are you willing to give bo bo, no shelby a call and see what's going on?
Speaker 2:is it matt laroe. By chance, is it? Yeah, yeah, lariello, yeah, yeah you, yeah, you, uh, you, you that's one of the guys I'm talking about you connected me with him. We, uh, we chatted for a second nice, but nothing ever came of it. But it's just nice to, like you know, make those connections in the community. So that's really cool what you're doing and and having people that come onto your podcast and are inspired to start their own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, it's quite yeah, and also a lot of the rodeo guys too started their own. It's so it's so weird. But yeah, larry, all was the guy man and dude. Dude, he's been kicking butt, taking it and made it his own. And dude, he has conquered that sub ultra podcasting world. Dude for real. Yeah, I'm proud of that kid man. So that's.
Speaker 2:That's super cool that you have the rodeo guys on too, because that's to me like that's another level of mental toughness. To be able to sit on this wild beast oh yeah, on top of it and as it tries to throw you off with giant horns on its head, like that, requires some courage and all sorts of things that that I would love to be able to do, but you know, it's just like another world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, but. But when talking to them, they say the same thing about us. Man, they say the same about us. They can't believe it. Well, I'm like dude, the only thing difference is the animal. I don't understand that. But they say, yeah, I don't know how you do it, nick, but you do it. And I'm like, well, I don't know. But they think we're crazy. We think they're crazy, but they're a hell of an athlete as well, dude, on their own.
Speaker 2:All we have to do is ride our shoes. We're very predictable.
Speaker 1:Weather.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not as predictable as a bull. I know at one point you had a UFC guy on too. The median UFC guy, yeah, as a bull. No, I know you, at one point you had a ufc guy on to that. Uh, comedian ufc guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that to me that's to me like I'm one of the one of my favorite sports is ufc, so I hearing someone's journey like that is that's awesome oh yeah, yeah, he was a good guy and you know, he uh did all that and then he's, he's sober and clean and he, you know he's a comedian out of vegas and he does his whole lines of being sober and yeah, it's, it's, it's uplifting stuff, man, the guy, he's a, he's a monster in the the gym himself and does yoga non-stop and yeah, dude, he's, he's made it as well. So, so, when, when's the next time you want to be on man?
Speaker 2:Whenever you'll have me. Um, okay, I guess I got to sign up for another backyard. You don't have to.
Speaker 1:How about this? How about this? You tell me when your next race is and I'll have you on, please.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, deal For sure. Yeah, um, races I'll have you on, please. Okay, yeah, deal for sure. Yeah, um, I'd love to introduce you to either my parents or, or, uh, my friend ty, or just whoever's on my crew too, if you're interested, yeah, okay it's ty around.
Speaker 1:Is he listening or no?
Speaker 2:he popped his head in just a second ago. They're, they're off doing something, I don't know, probably like hey man, it's time to party, it's time to.
Speaker 1:It's time to do this, it's time to do that. Let's go, it's friday, friday so yeah, exactly we're.
Speaker 2:We're having a little college reunion, like college buddy get together. So nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gonna be fun hanging out with everybody well, well, don't let me stop you, man, but, bo, it's been a pleasure. Man, I appreciate you dude, you dude, I really do, and uh, keep keep chugging along and, um, taking butt, taking names, man.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it, nick, and I can't wait for our next chat. Let's make it. Make it sooner, okay.
Speaker 1:Sooner than later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Sooner than later. You know I might, I might do that. You know I might take you up on that because, yeah, I'm fighting the good fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sound good.
Speaker 2:Yep Sounds good.
Speaker 1:Till next time bro.
Speaker 2:Till next time. Thanks for having me. We'll see you next time.