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Miles & Mountains
Score, Ride, Rope, and Finish with Hayzen Hoffman
Meet tie-down roper, Hayzen Hoffman who at 13 years-old was inspired by his dad and grandpa to compete in the high adrenaline sport. Hayzen opens up about the unique challenges of practicing the sport and takes us through the highs and lows of navigating the competitive rodeo circuit, from the financial burdens of constant travel to the crucial need for consistency and confidence. We explore the pressures of making a name in the sport before turning 25 and the strategic decisions that go into selecting which competitions to attend. Hayzen’s love for the thrill of horseback events and his personal preferences in team roping positions add a vivid, personal touch to the narrative, all while sharing what keeps him motivated on the road.
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Hazen Hoffman. How are you, man? Just great On a Sunday afternoon. Yeah, You're on the west side, aren't you?
Speaker 2:I am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a lot cooler over there. It's a lot cooler over there than over here. Man Oof, how cool is it there?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, oh, I think it's seven, maybe 70s where we're at.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah not too bad it's been hundreds, 90s I think. Today I think, uh, the high is at 88. So yeah, it's, it's. It's a night and day difference, man. I was over there watching, you know, chris stapleton, and I'm just like man. It's so green, so earthy and so cool. I love this man, you know. Just some things I miss over there, not a lot, though not a lot so, but we also get a lot more rain.
Speaker 2:Yes and I would like that.
Speaker 1:That's why I like that greenage man, how green it is over there.
Speaker 2:It's not green over here, man, it's brown and smoky, yeah so if it could just for like most of the year, if it just rained once a week, it'd be a lot more enjoyable, yeah, instead of you get like three days in a row sometimes, right.
Speaker 1:But the rain over there, the rain over there is like a mist, though it's not really downpour rain. Sometimes it is, I think, wintertime it's downpour rain, but then throughout the year it's just a mist, correct?
Speaker 2:We get a lot of downforce. It's where we're at. We get a lot like. Sometimes it's out of the blue. We can get it like a 30 minute, just dump.
Speaker 1:Okay, like we don't get a lot of mist until about now okay, well, I miss it, that's all I'm saying. And gosh, we just went on a, not a tangent, but talk about weather, you know, and I just was over there and I miss it, and it's just. Oh, man, it feels good. But before we get started, man, I have to shout out. You know, you're part of the herd, everybody that's on part of the herd.
Speaker 2:It's great. I mean she's like in the last, I think, year and a half that I've known her, she's become one of like my biggest supporters and she's always up, Like she even comes out to like our place and she like takes pictures and stuff of like my sister and I roping and like she's all for supporting us in any way she can yeah, real nice.
Speaker 1:And you've been part of the herd for what? Two years in a row now, or longer, is it two?
Speaker 2:uh, I think it was like last, not like this last winter, but the winter before was when she reached out to me and was like hey, I want to try this, would you be for trying it? So, like a year and a half going on to what's it like, though?
Speaker 1:Like what's it like. What does it mean to you to be part of her herd man?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's like being able to represent her is like and she's a great person, like how kind and everything she does for us, like being able to represent somebody that goes through all that effort and time and energy to like make sure that she can help us in any way she can. It's really like a testament to her business and her being able to be a part of that it's great.
Speaker 1:Wasn't trying to press, but no, no, not trying to press, but I just want Elaine because she does listen. She does listen. She knows that you're going to be on. I just want her to know how much she means to everybody that I have on the podcast. So she needs it every now and then. So not only a part of the herd. You're my first tie down roper man. So before we get into it all, tie down roping man.
Speaker 2:What did you think or feel like that was your sport um, it would have had to have been like when I was 13, because, like my dad and grandpa, like I grew up, like when I was little little, I went to like all the rodeos watching them. But then, like where we live, like there's nothing, like I think the only place that we can go to in the winter is like a good 35, 40 minute drive from us. To like practice, yeah, and like we've had to start raising our own cattle and stuff to be able to like afford getting the calves to rope in the summers. And we found a place that we can go to just down the road now and rope in the winter and we have to haul our stuff there, let's start with roping.
Speaker 1:Roping is in the blood, the bloodstream right. Who brought the roping up? Dad or mom?
Speaker 2:so dad was the one he like he's done it his entire life. Yeah and uh, my mom she she's actually from over here, my dad's from over there in hermiston but um, she wanted to get into it when she was like last year at high school and she was like rodeo royalty. She got on like the lewis county rodeo royalty and she was going to all the rodeos as a princess and then she wanted to get into it really badly.
Speaker 1:So dad was a roper, but he wasn't a tie-down roper, correct?
Speaker 2:No, he's well, he does both. I should say he team ropes to any cap ropes. But yeah, he just likes cap roping because he doesn't have to rely on somebody else who's a better, roper you or Pops? I'd say him.
Speaker 1:Him Okay, oh yeah. So not only are you roping, you know, you're heading pretty, heading pretty much right, and we'll talk about heading and healing and everything else, because that's like hot topic. I always like the head or the, you know, and like which one's tougher, obviously, depending on who you talk to. You know, they just like to throw shade around and I throw shade too. I don't know how to rope, it's fun. But not only are you roping, dude, you're flipping a calf upside down and tying them up. What made it appealing to know?
Speaker 2:like, all right, man, uh, you know, let's just make put another twist to it, let's let's calf rope, let's tie down I think I just like cause dad did it and like that was like the main gig, cause he loved it so much and so he was always pushing for it, and like I didn't actually start team roping until like eighth grade, freshman year.
Speaker 2:I started it after I'd roped for a couple of years. Like calf roping, once you get to a certain point like it becomes like a rush, so it's like an addiction, like that, if you can hold your slack and dismount like I can't, it's I can't express it enough. It's like the best feeling in the world to get that send off your horse and I, just, I, just that. And like team roping, you rely on somebody to them and their horse, so there's like a whole bunch of animals involved. Like calf roping, it's me and my horse in that calf and there's I shouldn't say there's a little more confidence, but it was like as much as I've done it, it feels a lot better, like knowing it's me and my horse in this calf.
Speaker 1:There's just a little bit more yeah, calves aren't, you know, full-blown cow. You know they're. They're tiny, but they're not too tiny, they're under 300 pounds that's not like I think they actually have a weight limit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think the weight limit's like 250 ish, now something like that. I know it's like 250 to 75 depending on what association correct yeah, it depends on which association, but like mpr, is doing a really great job this year.
Speaker 1:Nice calves so to prepare for that, you know, throwing calves around, do you squat, do you lift, do you go to the gym?
Speaker 2:I actually haven't done any of that since high school which is really really bad, because there's a lot of guys that do.
Speaker 2:But, um, it's more technique. If you can dial your technique in, it makes them all a lot better to flank and it makes it easier. And when you're actually at a rodeo, like, I always feel like I get an adrenaline rush. So like it doesn't matter to me, like I'm just like balls to the walls, I'm going all out, I'm giving them everything I got. So, okay, are you good buddies with Wiley? I haven't talked to him much, but I did high school rodeo with him. I think he was a senior when I was a sophomore or junior.
Speaker 1:Okay, who's taller, you or him? I know of him, him. Who's taller him? Yeah?
Speaker 2:for sure.
Speaker 1:It's just crazy. You guys put your body at risk doing that. I mean, I put my body at risk doing, you know, multiple day runs and stuff like that, and you guys call me crazy. I call you guys crazy and it just like it's just, it's just funny to know that you guys say man, you're crazy. Then I say you're crazy, but, dude, I don't have animals around and throwing them around. You know, like you and Wiley, and it's just, it's just crazy to know that you're like you know what. Let's take it up a notch and get animals involved. You know, and, dude, you guys just do what you do and you're great at it. So how long have you done tie down?
Speaker 2:Um, I started tying down, I think, like 13, 14, so seven, six years, six and a half, maybe, something like that.
Speaker 1:You're going to stick with it. That's your sport, that's your bread and butter. What's your ultimate goal, man? I know big leagues, but what's your ultimate goal, man? I know big leagues, but what's your ultimate goal?
Speaker 2:oh yeah. Well, I mean, everybody's gonna say they want to be a world champion. But, um, I I mean I guess it's that being a world champion is the end goal and probably trying to be repeat over and over. But I just like, I just love competition part, like just being able to go to every rodeo I can. That'd be Just getting down the road and doing it.
Speaker 1:Did you have one this week?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we actually, uh, we had Longview and Long Beach.
Speaker 1:We was today Sunday, so we had Friday, long views, saturday on beach and you travel, man, you guys travel, but the mpra allows you guys to, you know, go from one to the next. You know, even though it's going at the simultaneously, it's like what? It's crazy, that's awesome. That's awesome, man. It hits the competition. Let's say you're on the side, you're about to get a mount up and everything else. What goes through your mind? You said you talk about adrenaline, but how do you get to that point that you know it's just like, dude, it's go time? Do you pump yourself up by by music? What, what? Or is it just natural, like you know?
Speaker 2:like I always teach myself. Yeah, like that's it, like I do, I do kind of try and like hype myself up, but like when I'm getting all my stuff, my jerk line tucked in my belt, and like my rope ready, sitting there behind the box, I'm like it's, it's super easy, hazen, don't overthink it. It's like you gotta score, ride, rope and finish like it's a lot. It's a lot easier than a lot of people make it out to be, and I heard Trevor Brazil said it best it's like all these guys they're going out there and they're just overthinking. It's so simple. I just go and make my run. I think that was what made it so easy to be competitive. But yeah, you can't overthink it. You just got to find the zone, I guess. And it's just like you just find your reactive state and just go at it.
Speaker 1:So a guy like myself who watches and loves the rodeo scene right, the sport and all that entails, is it that easy to do what you do? You guys make it that easy To do what you do? You guys make it look easy, man, I don't care if you just started from Off the streets. Some of these kids, like yourself, make it effortless. So like, is it that easy?
Speaker 2:Probably not. Well, I shouldn't say probably not, but it's you put. There's a lot of hours. There's a lot of hours that are in the behind the scenes that you don't see Right, and so it's just trying to find your solid run. I guess Make it because smooth is fast. You just got to find that smooth where everything just flows.
Speaker 1:How often do you have a great time Like a good day? Is it all the time?
Speaker 2:A good day, like money when it runs.
Speaker 1:Well is it? Do you say you had a good day because of the money, or did you have a good day because you went third or fourth and you know it was a good run? What? How do you know you had a good day? I mean, any day you get to go to a rodeo was a good run. What, how do you know?
Speaker 2:you had a good day. I mean any, any day you get to go to a rodeo, it's a good day, in my opinion, but, um, all right, so you love the game. I mean just going out and if you can do the best you can do with the calf you got and just like, yeah, winning something's obviously a good day because you're adding back to your wallet and stuff, but yeah, when you can just do the best that you got, because the draw is the draw. Sometimes you get the pooch, sometimes you get the one that nobody wants.
Speaker 1:How many rodeos have you gone to and competed in this year?
Speaker 2:This year. I want to say, like just we've gone, we've team roped it's seven and I think we hit about. We're probably around 15. I'd say around 15 is a good number because we hit up a few of the pro rodeos this winter and we my dad and I just rope calves at a couple of amateurs before we started doing double overtime.
Speaker 1:What have you been doing now? I know you went to Tillamook, but you could only go to certain ones. I know you hang out in Oregonregon a lot, or you do oregon uh competitions. What's stopping you from going to more locations?
Speaker 2:um, right now it's probably just like I want to ability, probably because, like you can only do you want to to find like your consistency and you just want to kind of find a good stride where you're kind of winning every other something here and there, but trying to like keep going further and not like having a good run. You don't want to like waste your money and just keep traveling out to like Idaho, montana, california.
Speaker 1:When does a tie down roper say you know what, let's make a run for it? When do they do that, man? What's the average age? Or how do they know they're going to make a run? Or when?
Speaker 2:Really it's just confidence in yourself, I think, and being able to have like the backing behind you, like financially, because it's getting kind of crazy expensive to be out and do do this sort of stuff right, the gas and yeah you got fuel, you got like. Horse trailers are outrageous. Now tires things like that. Feed for your horses horses themselves.
Speaker 1:You said pro and amateur. What pro card are you sitting on right now?
Speaker 2:So PRCA, you can't you, just you get their permit and stuff. So I'm on my permit, technically Okay, and how's that?
Speaker 1:going.
Speaker 2:And then it hasn't gone very well this year. I got one rope, I got my one cap at Redmond rope but, Yak Mom, I didn't draw very good.
Speaker 1:I can't think of the other one when are you going to start taking the moment? Like you know, start of the year. I know you guys perform throughout the year, right when you sit down with pops and everything else and with family members, whatever. You just sit down and you know you pick the big, the big five or big ten. You know, not not so much the moneymaker but the ones that that pop out like hey, seems like I can do some damage here. Let's, let's do this one, let's do this one. You know, starting like clusters start near but where you live and then, you know, work your way out that way. Have you thought about that? Or have you ever looked into picking and choosing where?
Speaker 2:to go. Well, we kind of pick and choose, like right now, like we went to Sisters that was the other one I couldn't think of, but we went to Sisters and stuff. That's a good one. But right now we're just trying to get. My dad wants me solid before we start going to a bunch. I quite frankly agree with him, because burning money through your pocket just entering up over and over isn't fun.
Speaker 1:I know everybody's like hey man, you should come see me. I'm like dude. I wish I could but I don't have that much money, man. The gas is what gets you. Gas is a deal breaker for me, man A deal breaker?
Speaker 2:No, it's yeah.
Speaker 1:When do you think you'll have it going full steam age-wise? When do you think, have you given yourself a time period on when it's a make or break?
Speaker 2:I really like, I want to do it before I'm like 25. Like I need to, like it's just like a motivation to push myself. I'll be 21 at the end of this year and it's like I'm just giving myself a few years. Put in the work and get out there.
Speaker 1:All right. If you weren't tied out, what would you be doing in the rodeo world? Probably team roping, team roping, okay. Head or heel, heel or heel.
Speaker 2:You know I like people. My dad always told me to be a header and like I love it but I could probably care less. Like team roping, like I say it, and he kind of gives me a funny look, but like I just basically it's like the horsepower is what I really love, like between calf roping and team. The events that we get to do I would put in the work to figure out either end.
Speaker 1:The more I'm talking to you man, the more you're an adrenaline junkie man. You love that adrenaline dude. Okay, all right, there's different ways. I get mine, you get yours. Through horsepower. Who has it easier a healer or a header?
Speaker 2:Um, I think, well, it could go either way, depending on who you ask, but I like the way. Uh, some guy, I don't know, I listen to so many like these ropers on their podcasts and stuff. But I think healers, far as like the technical side of it, have it a little easier, but they have the harder loop to throw because I mean like as a header you gotta dial in your your score and then you gotta deal with what the steer gives you to make a corner.
Speaker 2:So your healer does have the position and can make a good throw so?
Speaker 1:so you're saying the healer is has it easier. Okay, those are some fighting words, man. Okay, all right, now, all right. The more. The more I get into these ropers, right, and everything else, I've noticed, they have different tastes of music when traveling. Now, when you travel, what's your go-to music man?
Speaker 2:I like to listen to just the country music. It's what I've always listened to. I don't really Every now and then, like my mom likes the night. The 80s and 90s, like rock every time I like. Sometimes I like to turn that on, but usually it's like 90s country. If I have a choice like, I'll pick, like that stuff or well, a lot of people listen to taylor swift oh no, you're not one of them.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to embarrass you, but, dude, there's a lot of guys that will embarrass themselves and say, yeah, man, I rock that stuff. I'm like dude, more power to you.
Speaker 2:But I mean I might do it to like mess around with one of the traveling buddies, but other than that it's not not my go-to besides your dad being travel buddy, who's your travel buddy? Your age that travels with you mostly like we got some breakaway ropers that go with us from our town Sidney Von Moose and Maddie Teeter. They go, like this year, they're pretty busy and trying to get things figured out, but like last year they went with us to a bunch of the rodeos. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they'll probably be like put on Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2:No, sid, they like to jam. Sid jams out to some rock and rap music stuff that I hadn't even heard of, and it's like wow, when you approach the venue and everything else, do you have a regimen?
Speaker 1:Do you have your go-to meal? Do you have special socks? You know we're athletes, they're very superstitious, and you know they wear the same socks, same underwear. I have mine as a runner, so do you have your own thing? Set up each and every competition?
Speaker 2:I mean, just go with the flow, not really. I I don't. I don't believe in lucky socks. I don't got those, um, but I do like to take all my wallet. I like to leave a bunch of stuff in my trailer before I go. I do like doing that. That's probably the closest thing to a superstition you got out of me, okay, yeah, all right?
Speaker 1:What's your go-to meal? If you had a good day, how do you treat yourself?
Speaker 2:Treat myself. Well, I don't really do that. Usually on the road, we're just trying to find what sounds good, something that we can just eat.
Speaker 1:What sounds good, what's your go-to? Then, what's your go-to?
Speaker 2:Hospitality tent's usually a good option. What is it Hospitality? Tentity tent's usually a good option. What is it Hospitality?
Speaker 1:tent. That's usually a good option. Free food, oh, free food, okay, all right. So if they have one thing over another, which one would you go to? Like? What's your? If they have it, that's your go-to always yes oh, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty picky about like. I say, I'm not picky because I'll just eat whatever, but like we gotta watch. One year, I think, we got food poisoning from hospitality tent, and so we've we've really tried to be careful what's dad's favorite, his go-to in the hospitality dad yeah, I mean he gets, he's, he's the same way as me, he's just we just don't want that food poisoning.
Speaker 2:But I guess, like he's, he he's the same way as me, he's just we just don't want that food poisoning again. But I guess, like I know the one like, he says he gets tired after cheeseburgers and that's like one thing like if we're at the fair or something like I could always go for a good cheeseburger, but he says he gets tired of those and he tries to get like fish and chips. If we're like a coast rodeo, he always wants those.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you can't go wrong, especially coast rodeo. Supposedly fresh, you know, fresher than the Indian ones. Okay, all right. Since I coach hospitality tents, I stay away from heated food. I just go dry food. If they have goldfish, that's my go-to Safe Goldfish yeah.
Speaker 2:Goldfish is a good option.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the safest option. Man, what's next? What's your next competition? How does the end of the year look?
Speaker 2:We have Redmond, mcminnville and Corvallis this next weekend and as far as the end of the year. If I can start winning enough for the amateurs, I would like to jump back out and see if I can hit some of the small pro rodeos that they got left, see if I could fill my permit. But the goal is to get up and make the NPRA finals this year, because I was just out of it last year.
Speaker 1:Okay, is there a good chance?
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to jump back up into the top 20 right now. Okay, I want to check at Long Beach, so I should be back up in there.
Speaker 1:Do you eat peanut butter jelly sandwiches?
Speaker 2:you know I try to. I ate it so much as a kid that it's sometimes it's like it loses its um, like the desire to have one, like I do like every now and then.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, no, it's all good. You know, you're never too old for it. Yes, it gets worn out, but there's always different ways and variations to change it up. So Okay, isn't that?
Speaker 2:like your signature question too.
Speaker 1:It is, it is, it is. It is my signature question, but it hasn't been around lately. I don't know A lot of people.
Speaker 2:Well, isn't the new thing? Like those pre-made peanut butter and jelly things without the crust Uncrustables.
Speaker 1:Yeah those things. That's the lazy way, man. That's the lazy way, man. That's the lazy way Now if you tell me you change up from crunchy to creamy every now and then and different mom and pop jam or jelly, you got me going, man. If you say you toast it, even better. You say you put pickles in your peanut butter jelly sandwich. You know that's more interesting, but it's not my type man. I don't like there was pickles.
Speaker 2:One of my mom's friends and she told me this, but she was uh. She said they'd put doritos in their peanut butter and jelly I could see that I've heard that. I've heard, I've tried that a couple times and it's like it stabs you in the mouth and I'm just like no, it just ruins it.
Speaker 1:Oh man, Is it Cool Ranch or Nacho Cheese that they put in? I think it's Nacho.
Speaker 2:Cheese, the originals, any rodeos east side of the state I don't. We just got to look at the schedule. I think a lot of it's going to depend on how we do this next weekend because there is a big like four or five rodeo weekend where they got like near Goldendale, yeah, and it's just going to depend on how we do because my sister's also going with us and so we're trying to make it all work since we're there for a majority of the rodeo.
Speaker 1:Can you keep us posted, keep us posted on how, how you do in the next few months, cause it's good, it's about to get hot, getting hot, especially in the rodeo world. And yeah, it's, it's, it's fun time, it's fun season. Right now it's going to get there there. So you're my first calf roper and I'm happy that you were able to answer those questions. One question, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:One question that I've noticed, or that I've wanted to ask you, that I noticed during pendleton roundup, right when you're watching calf roping, right after they tie the heel, you know the, the hooves and everything else, right, yeah, they, they don't push off, it looks like they push off, but they okay time. Well, when I was in pendleton roundup last year, someone did it, man, he did a remarkable job, time and everything else right, blew everybody out of the water. But he got DQ because apparently when he finished tying he pushed off. But, dude, it's like, did he push off? But you know, he, apparently the judge saw, saw that he pushed off. But it's illegal to push off Right when you tie you just put your hands up.
Speaker 2:Once you call for time, it's it, you're done.
Speaker 1:The only thing you can touch is your horse and when you get back on okay, well, it just it didn't make sense, because I'm like dude, that guy like blew everybody out of the water. He could have won first, you know. And all of a sudden he gets DQ'd because they played replay and it was just like did he play a show?
Speaker 2:Well, did he. If you jerk your cap over backwards too, you can get DQ'd. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:So if that happens. That does not sound easy, man. That does not sound easy. Like you said, it does not sound easy. Easy Like you said, it does not sound easy. There's so many different variations, man, and ways to ruin your weekend, your day, by not making money because of an animal.
Speaker 2:Crazy, yeah, but that's the joy of it. Ups and downs.
Speaker 1:That's the adrenaline. Huh, what gets you more pumping the dismount? Or taking the calf and throwing it over or tying it Dismount?
Speaker 2:Just getting the smooth dismount down the rope. It's just the greatest feeling I've seen some big boys. That's the part that I crave the most. Once I get down to the the cap, I have to tell myself to slow down yeah, I've seen some big boys.
Speaker 1:Man, what was it John Day last year? Man dude ate hard. He finished, but man, he dismounted and he couldn't stop and he ate hard, man. Oh yeah, it's a lot worse when your foot's still in stirrup and you hit the ground.
Speaker 2:he couldn't stop and he ate it hard, man, oh yeah. It's a lot worse when your foot's still in stirrup and you hit the ground.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine man. Okay, I've had a few of those Embarrassing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, okay, it was like junior rodeo years, so that was a learning curve.
Speaker 1:What about the ladies man? Do you have a lady?
Speaker 2:No, not at the moment.
Speaker 1:So if you eat it, you're going to be like there goes my chances.
Speaker 2:I feel like I do enough stupid stuff. Aside from that, that might ruin the chances.
Speaker 1:You're my kind of man, man, you're honest dude, I like that man. All right, so you come around here, even Goldendale, you know, in the next couple months or two, yeah, next couple months. Let me know I'd be glad to visit with you. I still haven't met elaine, so hopefully, hopefully, one of these days we can get together. I just don't hang on the west side much, you know it's like yeah you know, this week, this week, seattle next weekend.
Speaker 1:I mean this is the most I'm gonna spend on the west side of both states. I was in Seattle last night, I'm going to Bellingham next weekend and then Salem the weekend after, so this is the most west side I get. So let me know your schedule, man, send me your schedule. Look forward to seeing you live once you know for once, and maybe have a couple of goldfish or two. Look forward to seeing you live once you know for once, and, uh, maybe have a, have a couple of goldfish or two. Sweet Sounds good, man, sounds good. Tell, tell pops. I said hello and I'll let Elaine know that, uh, that we had this conversation and uh, yeah, till next time. Yeah, we'll see you next time.