Could Bigfoot be more than just an elusive giant in the woods, perhaps even an interdimensional being with capabilities beyond our current scientific understanding? Join me as I sit down with the ever-intriguing Earl Wayne Ballew, a man of melodic talent and a keen interest in the cryptic lore of Bigfoot. We commence our auditory journey by applauding Wayne's musical endeavors, leading into a discussion about the mesmerizing theories surrounding Bigfoot, inspired by the film "A Flash of Beauty: Paranormal Bigfoot." We take a skeptical yet open-minded stance, weaving through eyewitness testimonies and scientific concepts such as the membrane theory, dancing on the edge of reality and myth.
From the octopus's extraordinary camouflage to the potential for unheard-of animal abilities, our conversation traverses the thin veil between established science and the enigmatic supernatural. We reflect on historical skepticism faced by now-known animals like gorillas, drawing a parallel to Bigfoot's persistent mystery. Wayne's personal narratives from his police days and my own spooky experience provide a backdrop to our dialogue, adding weight to the idea that some individuals may be more attuned to encounters with the unexplained. We also delve into the gender dynamics within Bigfoot stories, notably referencing the iconic Patterson-Gimlin film, as we navigate the curious intersection of cultural folklore and biological possibility.
As the episode draws to a close, we shift our gaze skyward to contemplate UFOs, or UAPs, stirring in the possibility of extraterrestrial life supported by historical references and the cultural impact of media like The X-Files. We discuss the differing perceptions attached to believing in Bigfoot versus aliens and ponder the enigmatic energy of the Pacific Northwest woods, where I plan to return, injury or not. Our anticipation builds for a future rendezvous to dissect 'clusters' of inexplicable events in national parks, leaving our listeners with a sprinkle of quantum physics, a dash of Bigfoot musings, and a myriad of wonders that challenge the fringes of our comprehension.
Wayne Ballew
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Shoutout to:
Wayne Ballew
Film
A Flash of Beauty: Paranormal Bigfoot
David Paulides
Alter Ego Ambassador: https://alteregorunning.com/
Miles & Mountains Promo Code: MMyr2
Could Bigfoot be more than just an elusive giant in the woods, perhaps even an interdimensional being with capabilities beyond our current scientific understanding? Join me as I sit down with the ever-intriguing Earl Wayne Ballew, a man of melodic talent and a keen interest in the cryptic lore of Bigfoot. We commence our auditory journey by applauding Wayne's musical endeavors, leading into a discussion about the mesmerizing theories surrounding Bigfoot, inspired by the film "A Flash of Beauty: Paranormal Bigfoot." We take a skeptical yet open-minded stance, weaving through eyewitness testimonies and scientific concepts such as the membrane theory, dancing on the edge of reality and myth.
From the octopus's extraordinary camouflage to the potential for unheard-of animal abilities, our conversation traverses the thin veil between established science and the enigmatic supernatural. We reflect on historical skepticism faced by now-known animals like gorillas, drawing a parallel to Bigfoot's persistent mystery. Wayne's personal narratives from his police days and my own spooky experience provide a backdrop to our dialogue, adding weight to the idea that some individuals may be more attuned to encounters with the unexplained. We also delve into the gender dynamics within Bigfoot stories, notably referencing the iconic Patterson-Gimlin film, as we navigate the curious intersection of cultural folklore and biological possibility.
As the episode draws to a close, we shift our gaze skyward to contemplate UFOs, or UAPs, stirring in the possibility of extraterrestrial life supported by historical references and the cultural impact of media like The X-Files. We discuss the differing perceptions attached to believing in Bigfoot versus aliens and ponder the enigmatic energy of the Pacific Northwest woods, where I plan to return, injury or not. Our anticipation builds for a future rendezvous to dissect 'clusters' of inexplicable events in national parks, leaving our listeners with a sprinkle of quantum physics, a dash of Bigfoot musings, and a myriad of wonders that challenge the fringes of our comprehension.
Wayne Ballew
Instagram:
@earlywayneballew
https://instagram.com/earlywayneballew?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA==
Shoutout to:
Wayne Ballew
Film
A Flash of Beauty: Paranormal Bigfoot
David Paulides
Alter Ego Ambassador: https://alteregorunning.com/
Miles & Mountains Promo Code: MMyr2
Earl Wayne Ballou. How are you man?
Speaker 2:Man, I'm doing well. Good to be back, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, thanks for coming back, man. You were here before. We talked about music. What inspired you to write music? Touch base on the Clusters, bigfoot, missing People, people. But then we also talked about, uh, prison rodeo. Yes, sir, right, so you're back, because I wanted you back. I'm back too, but it's, it's awesome that you know. You were like, yeah, I'll come back, and I'm trying to come back too, because of all the stuff and the madness in my household Not my household, but my family, and yeah. So I thank you for giving me a shot to come back.
Speaker 2:No worries at all. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1:We're going to talk about one thing and one thing only the movie A Flash of Beauty, paranormal Bigfoot. Yes, sir, you have convictions, you, you know the, the convict cowboys. And then bigfoot. You made it known that you're into bigfoot. You're a believer, right? Yes, sir, there are people who are believers and then there are people who are non-believers. I'm skeptical. I'm not saying I'm not a non-believer, but I need to see it for myself.
Speaker 2:A lot of people are like that, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know, in the past ancient times, back in before man, there were people or things out there that were bipedal, very hairy giganopithecus erectus, blackie, I think, is the name of the ape they're assuming is maybe bigfoot yes and yes, and I'm glad you said it because you know I'm I don't have a scientific uh mind and tongue, so thank, thank you.
Speaker 2:I hope I got that right too, but I think I did yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I guess that what you said, the giant Topithecus, is Yeti of the Himalayas and Sasquatch of Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2:Rumor is they're all.
Speaker 1:They're all the same species, or a shoot off of the same species and was the species, the parenthesis robustus, with gorilla-like crested skull and bipedal gay, only found in africa in asia, from what I understand, okay I think that's where they found the fossil was in asia, I think.
Speaker 2:But uh, that's where. Yes, sir, that's where it all comes together okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 1:So. So we're going to talk about that, because this movie I saw it twice. I saw it first time when you told me to see it, when, like right afterwards, right after our last one, right when it first came out. And then I watched it again this past weekend and I'll be honest with you, this is the first time I ever heard of Bigfoot being paranormal.
Speaker 2:And that is where this is where some people are listening to it. That know me. They're going to say, oh Wayne ran off the rails, but that's what I think. I think Bigfoot is not entirely of this earth, okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, and you know I'm starting a little early, real fast, or going fast real early. The cloaking, the shape-shifting and also out of this world kind of thing, some of those things I question, especially the cloaking like Predator movie features.
Speaker 2:Right, that's been reported for a long time. And eyewitnesses. There's a lot of credible eyewitnesses out there, man, and I'm sure some of them are mistaking some sightings for a bear. I would be willing to bet probably 75 percent of them are. But when you have a credible witness, like the police officer in the movie flash of beauty, paranormal bigfoot, yeah, he's seeing something, he goes. But that can't be real because that doesn't exist and it just, it just dissipates and my feeling on it is it's a form of energy that they can just come in and out of this dimension.
Speaker 1:You know I've said we have so many dimensions.
Speaker 2:You know the membrane theory, you know we're only separated just by a little. I'm not a scientist, so I'm trying to talk smart but I'm really not. But I understand kind of in theory what he meant by the membrane theory and it really seems to me that these guys, whatever they are, can go in between dimensions without any problem, like interstellar kind of stuff. Yes, sir, that's how it comes. Sometimes you'll see, in the remote backcountry, in the way out, in the middle of BFE, you'll see just one footprint, nothing else. And again, this isn't my original theory, but to me it seems like whatever this is, comes into our world, takes one step and then goes right back into wherever it was going.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, and you're sticking with it. I'm sticking with it.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir. And again people might think, oh, wayne's lost his mind. But I've thought about this a long time and I think it has a lot to do with the Nephilim from genesis.
Speaker 1:I really do think it's something along those lines, okay I'm pretty sure it's somebody who's gonna listen, because you know I am back and you're back too, and I'm happy you're back. I I am. People are probably going to dissect this, this podcast, and be like okay, what's this? What did you just say? What verse?
Speaker 2:It's a Genesis and this the Nephilim, that's the fallen angels. They came to earth and they mated with human women and produced a race of giants. Okay, all right, I know it's out there, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to gather my thoughts. And just Brett Eichenberger he's the director. Now there are some people out there that have put some claims out there. What gives him the pass of putting this stuff on there, putting the spotlight and stuff on there, put in the spotlight and not be questioned Like some people who bring up science and don't agree with regular scientists, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Now, I haven't had too many face-to-face conversations with Brett, but I do on social media. I follow it and a lot of people call him out on it. Yeah, and I've never asked him what his experience was or why he believed so firmly. Okay, but I do know people have called him out on social media. You know, in the comments, you know the keyboard warriors and they but everybody's entitled their opinion too because, like you said, said it's not, there's not one in the zoo, there's not a body found, you know. So people, people have their right to their opinions on this, because this is really kind of heady stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like heady. When I think of heady, I think of you know, a massive trip, right, right To put it. To put it lightly, I'm just saying it's like dude, you know the people in there. It's like man, you want some shrooms, some psychedelics maybe some you know for real and I don't know, but we'll get to that. So back to the science. Brett, he you said he called, he's getting called out in social media.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if he's getting called out. I've just seen some comments that they're going. There's no way this is true. There's no way this is real. Stuff like that and just that kind of call out. I've never heard his credibility. He's a. He's always been just a straight up dude for me, and you know I respect him immensely.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and I'm not saying he's not, but I feel when people talk about Bigfoot, hardly anybody calls them out. You know, for instance, you know the guy from Fire in the Sky.
Speaker 2:Travis Wilson. Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Yes, that story. Just, you know, Graham Hancock has been fighting scientists for years saying, hey, there was an ancient civilization, here's proof. And they're saying, no, it's this, you know it's during this time, but he's saying it's earlier or later than what they're actually saying, Right? So they're, they're questioning his credibility and I, I'll be honest, I believe that more than I do the paranormal.
Speaker 2:Well, I tell you, I'm lucky enough to to know a real research scientist. He was a good buddy of mine back in Dallas and he has a PhD, one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life, and he once told me we were having a few whiskeys and he once told me he goes. You know, sometimes scientists don't want to open their mind to the possibility, if anything, outside of their own theory.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah yeah, they got their theory, they got what they believe and they got a good hypothesis. They believe in it Because a lot of this stuff is all theory, Right, If you think about it. A lot of this stuff is theory Like when was the Earth created? When was the universe created? Right? People throw out these years, billions of years. The Bible says 10,000 years. Nobody really knows and there's no way to prove it. Right, so everybody has their theory, scientists included, and some of these are hills they die on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and it's unfortunate because I mean, the theories were spoon fed to them while in school.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, I think so, but that always stuck with me when he told me that he goes. Yeah, a lot of scientists, they just they're there, they get stuck on their own thesis or whatever and they don't change but but to annihilate somebody else's theory as much as they have with graham toward towards graham it's.
Speaker 1:It's kind of against what they believe. Yeah, I agree 100%.
Speaker 2:I've read his book it was a while back but I did read it and his claims are just phenomenal. But, like you said, he has, it seems like the evidence to back this up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the ancient Missoula flood. I live in. It's in my backyard. You can't tell me something catastrophic did not happen, Right? I live in the scavelands, dude. There's no way in heck, you know, it just appeared that way. No, yeah, so the movie.
Speaker 2:You play a role, a big role, because you had your music at the end of the movie in the credits. I am, like I told you, I think I'm beyond honored that they picked my song to go in there. I was extremely still kind of speechless sometimes, to be honest with you, and the funny thing is everything I wrote in that song I wrote it five years ago and it tied into the movie quite well and I didn't know anything that was going to be in the movie. And again, I just I can't thank those guys enough for giving me the opportunity to have my music in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how did they know about you? Or how did you even get your song in their movie?
Speaker 2:When the first movie came out, a Flash of Beauty, bigfoot Revealed my wife and I loved it. And my wife picked up on the fact that she goes. Hey, that's our dump. They're actually at our dump where we live. And I said, bullshit, there's no way, that's not our dump. And she reached out to him on social media and, sure enough, it was our dump. And then I said well, hell, I'm going to reach out to him and see if he wants to hear my song. And that's how I get most of my dumb luck is just emailing somebody or reaching out to him saying hey, my name's Wayne Ballou. I wrote a song that really would go well with your yeah with your, with your story, would you be interested in hearing it?
Speaker 2:and uh, he said, send it and I did, and I guess they liked it okay yeah, how's the music career going right now?
Speaker 2:I have so many irons in the fire I don't even know where to I got to. I got to start pulling them out here soon. I'm supposed to be going to austin here in a couple of months to record a couple of songs for different projects and, man, I'm excited to sell about it. Okay, we won't talk and you're finishing up the convict cowboy CD, mm-hmm. Oh yeah, so lots of irons in the fire, so the music's going really well.
Speaker 1:All right. What's your next concert? Do you have one lined up this year?
Speaker 2:We are working on that right now and it'll be here in Southern Oregon.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, all right. I was just wondering if you're going to go see Chris Stapleton man.
Speaker 2:Oh man Isn't he amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, yeah, he is, yeah, so congrats on that song man. That's pretty cool to know and to just tell the wife hey, you hear that.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you very much. It meant a lot to me, so I thank Brett and Jill and their team very much for letting me use my music in there. Thank Brett and Jill and their team very much for letting me use my music in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So shout out, shout out to them and having that music in there and just telling my wife hey, I know this guy, this guy was on my podcast. We're buds, we talk often.
Speaker 2:Well, if the if the con, if the movie convict cowboy comes out, we might have another one on there, the one Zach and I wrote so um crossing my fingers still.
Speaker 1:Okay, alright, so Science and Paranorman, not Norman. That's the movie. I watched it with my girls all the time Paranormal Sorry, do they go hand-in-hand?
Speaker 2:that's a really good question. Um, quantum science, you know, uh, ron Moorhead is a big believer in that and I, um, I, I have to agree with him and that I think that there's there's a thin line that separates the two. I really do think there's a very thin line. There's just so much out there. I think we just haven't wrapped our head around. We don't understand yet. And one of the things I've always what I tell my, my, my people back in Texas is you know cause they make God, they make fun of me about this big foot shit. They just hammer me religiously about them and I just tell them I'm like, you know what? What does the octopus that's, that's the animal I go to. I'm like, just think, if the octopus can change its environment, change its texture of its outing uh, outer, it's not a shell or whatever, whatever. Whatever an octopus is made out of, it can change its appearance to blend in to just about any environment and they can change their texture, texture. Who's to say there's not another animal out there that can do that?
Speaker 1:okay, well, all right. Another question you're going to get a lot of questions on a question why is bigfoot known as yeti but brown? Pacific Northwest brown?
Speaker 2:It can be like the polar bear. You know the polar bear versus the grizzly it's. You know the Yeti is over in the Himalayas.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And maybe it's you know the snow conditions.
Speaker 1:Why isn't Bigfoot shared as being cloaked in a shape shifter, going into other dimensions?
Speaker 2:you know, almost like Predator, like that guy said in the movie right, I, you know, I use the octopus as an example of what they can do. Now, obviously that's not supernatural, because an octopus is not supernatural, although there's been theories that it came from outer space, because there's not many things like it in the world. We think about it, but you know the indigenous people, when this goes back thousands and thousands of years, you know, when they told stories about the raven and the wolf and the bear, they also brought up the hairy man. So why on? I can't wrap that around my head, why they would bring up these real animals, right, and the hairy man's not a real animal. So, and I think they knew, I think they knew you know that there's portals out there, that you know there's ways to get in between worlds, and we just haven't figured it out yet okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So with with paranormal man, I'm really gonna catch myself. Paranormal, paranormal I'm glad I did, but I'm just gonna say I'm just gonna admit, man, paranormal, paranormal anyway. So, sorry, sorry, and I, I think the, the the thin line is. Well, science is knowledge of anything. Paranormal is what? The, uh, it's non-scientific bodies of knowledge, so, so I believe it's whose existence, within these contexts, is described as being beyond the scope of normal scientific study.
Speaker 2:Right, but science is knowledge of anything, yes, so science, yeah, I just don't think we've caught up okay and I know it sounds like double talk, but I think it sounds like double talk, but it really is. I just don't think we have caught up yet. Yeah, because think about this here. Here's another example. You know I use the octopus and just think, if this is okay, let's say it's a biological creature, it's not supernatural, not paranormal, it's just a biological creature that's been around as long as we have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Knowledge of anything and the testing theories against evidence obtained. So yeah, that's the thin line, man.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir. It's like I do think it's a very thin line and again, I just don't think we've gotten there yet.
Speaker 1:Okay, when do you think we'll get?
Speaker 2:there, man. Well, you know that's a really good question. I think ever since 47, when they started reverse engineering that town craft in New Mexico, our technology has just spiked. It's really gone crazy ever since then, if you think about it, and I think the more we understand the alien technology, the more science evolves more quickly.
Speaker 1:Right, that's another episode, okay.
Speaker 2:Yo sorry about that.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's okay, because this movie even put in UFO. You know, just shape-shifting, that's another thing. I mean, just put everything in perspective. But then when I see Bigfoot, I see Bigfoot. I believe Bigfoot is the hairy man, not a shape-shifter, not predator cloaking orbs. I see Bigfoot, the mysterious yeti who only people, certain people seen Right and that's where I was going with that, I'm very sorry, I do remember.
Speaker 2:Let's just say, bigfoot is biological. He's a real animal. Yep, if I understand, if I remember this correctly, for hundreds of years in the Congo the locals would tell outsiders about these gorillas that existed in the Congo. Everybody thought they were crazy. They were like there's no way these silverback gorillas exist, low mountain gorillas, I think they called low mountain grill, as I think they called and sure enough.
Speaker 2:In 1902, 1904, they were discovered. Now this has been going on for hundreds of years, saying, hey, these, these animals exist. So just think, if bigfoot is, you take out the paranormal aspect of it, and a bigfoot is a biological animal and he can actually have an ability, like the octopus, to blend into his environment. And, a chance in hell, we found him, and that's one of that to me. That could just sum it up right there. But it took them hundreds and hundreds of years to finally find the lowland gorilla and there's no magical traits to the gorilla. But if sasquatch can change his dna, their dna, because there's obviously him and her, um, if they can change their dna to blend into their environment like the octopus, that that's. Or the cuttlefish, that that's. That's huge. I mean that that changes the game completely.
Speaker 1:Well, that one lady in Western Washington in the movie that I was talking about that, you know, it seemed like she was earthy, you know, talking about getting grounded and everything else. You know, just grounding herself with nature and everything else. She talks about him. She always refers Bigfoot as he and him. She wanted to bring in pronouns for Bigfoot, right and why? Because we only see he's.
Speaker 2:I really well. The Gimlin Patterson film was a female. The one back in 67son film was a female. The one they back in 67, that was a, that was a female. That's where they got the name Patty from. I don't know she's, I think, if I remember correctly, cause it's been a couple of months since I've seen the film. I think she said he and his son are the only ones allowed to communicate with me and I don't know what that meant. I don't know if in this tribe he's the leader in another tribe of females, I don't know. But that's how I kind of took it and you know that that makes me think. You know that that mind speak. That that's not. That's not a new idea.
Speaker 2:I'm a huge Les Stroud fan. I really appreciate what he does and on his podcast he told me this happened. Or he didn't tell me, I'm sorry. He told the listener that this happened to him, that he's out there looking for him. He's in the middle of BFE, nowhere, nobody's with him, mind as clear as day. It says if you want to see me come around the corner or if you want to see us come around the corner, we're over here. And he, he told, he said in the podcast he goes I I was. I didn't know what to think. Am I going crazy? Am I losing it? This is les trout saying this yeah, yeah, the survivor man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did he get a lot of flack for?
Speaker 2:that I don't know. I don't know it was on his podcast and I don't know how popular his podcast is. It's not Joe Rogan, but if you follow nature and that kind of stuff I would assume you'll listen. He, he said he didn't go. I don't know if he used the word got scared, so I don't want to say that, but I, he, he, was very shook about it. So I don't want to say that, but he was very shook about it. Yeah, and again, we listened to it and I had to listen to it twice. I'm like he said he heard a voice in his head.
Speaker 1:Clear his bell, if you want to see us come over here, All right so maybe there is something to it.
Speaker 1:You know, he didn't say if it was a boy or girl foot talking to him, but maybe there is something to that. I got it. I got it and my belief in my theory you're out in the woods by yourself or for amount of time let's say a day, let's say 15 hours you haven't seen anyone, anyone, and daytime turns into night, nighttime turns into day, whatever hours you're in there, I, I, I for a fact. No, you start hallucinating, man, you start becoming delirious, even though you know you, you know you got some good rest, you know prior to your adventure, you start being a little delirious. And I haven't heard anything, but I do like, did I just see?
Speaker 2:that.
Speaker 1:You know that kind of thing, kind of. So I, I can see where they're coming from. So I can see where they're coming from. But the hearing part, man, maybe I'm just blaring my music, I'm not sure, but I don't know, man, if somebody is actually talking to me and they're not real, then man, I'm going to quit running.
Speaker 2:Dude, I was about to say, you go on these runs for hours at a time. I don't know. And let me tell you something, brother. I have been scared to ask a question and I'm being honest here. I've been scared when I've been out in the wilderness to ask the question are you here Inside my head? But I've not heard anything. I have not had anything communicate with me. I've had a couple of dreams that are really really. They still stick with me to this day. I don't remember many dreams, but I remember those. But other than that, I've been really nervous about asking that question, as I want to. I just haven't had the guts to do it yet, I guess.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if you've listened to Scott Jenkins and another ultra runner God, I forgot his name. I follow him. But Scott Jenkins, a UK runner dude, he's one of the greatest. He basically, just you know, gave us a whole story on how he was talking to a witch and seeing things. You know, uh, in in the midst of uh was mount st helens woods, there, that that park, national forest, and yeah, man, that's convincing, that's crazy. So, I know, man, I think delirium and just exhaustion could play a part, and not seeing somebody for days can also play.
Speaker 2:And I think you're right on the money with that too. So I I really I think you hit the nail on the head that that has to be some of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But Les Stroud was pretty convincing on on podcasts when he said that and again, I have all the respect for Les for what he does, he's a musician as well and he really is the survivor man you know. So that hit me in the gut pretty hard. I was like, wow, that's hardcore shit right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have to check that out. I want to see if you got any backlash on that too.
Speaker 2:I did not hear anything like that. And again the backlash. I have to check that out. I want to see if you got any backlash on that too. I did not hear anything like that. And again the backlash. I say backlash, that's not the right word, but I know on the social media some people were like there's no way, this is real. You know, going on the Flash of Beauty web or the threads, and they weren't rude about it. Thank goodness, because you know people can get ugly on social media.
Speaker 2:But that's their right not to, you know, until one's put on the table you know which I? It ain't gonna be ever me, it won't. It won't be me if I ever get lucky enough to see one and I have a fire on firearm on me, which I usually do um, I will, it won't be right Now.
Speaker 1:Turn of events the orbs, the orbs. I'm not convinced man, I'm not convinced of that paranormal yet. And the orbs.
Speaker 2:I need to send you a video. I have.
Speaker 1:Okay, send me a video. Send me a video. The one person that was convincing was in david uh polities missing or hunted. Uh or 411 missing and then hunted one of them when the hunter that lady hunter in indiana, was looking. That was convincing, but how long was she up there for her?
Speaker 2:exactly, and that that was really really strange. It really was. And I I think the orbs goes back to the paranormal. This is, you know, when they get ready to take off or whatever they they're trying to generate energy, they turn in. This is where it gets really kind of weird and that's where people really, back home, make a lot of fun of me is, um, it's just energy. I mean, we're all energy. But I think they have a way to to go to that next world. They have to gear up and they turn into that ball and they, they take off yeah.
Speaker 1:So my question to you kind of personal when did you start believing this man?
Speaker 2:probably my early twenties. I saw the Patterson Gimlin film and I started researching it and I saw the uh, you know, they're theorizing the gigantic Pythagoras came over on the land bridge from uh, russia to Bering, straight, you know, down to Alaska. And some didn't sit right with me on that because, again, the, the gorillas, were found in 1904 in the Congo, but these were people on foot looking for them. Now we have all of this technology and this is back 30 years ago and we haven't been able to find anything. And I've had some supernatural experiences.
Speaker 2:In Dallas the house we lived in was haunted as hell and my wife laughed at me, she called me crazy. She goes are you drinking again? You know this type of stuff. Until one night she heard something and it changed her mind. At least she didn't see what I saw, but she kind of got to witness some of it at the end and she is now like there's some things I don't know how to describe. I don't know what I just heard or how this is possible, but there's some weird stuff going on here okay, when did you solidify that you were a believer?
Speaker 1:were you down there or were you up in pacific northwest? I was down there. I was back in texas still have you? Just another personal question have you disclosed on the podcast what you used to do?
Speaker 2:no, I haven't, and I don't mind talking about it. I was a police officer in dallas, texas. Okay, for how many years? Uh, 14, 14, and I've been a police officer in Dallas, texas, for how many years?
Speaker 1:14., 14.
Speaker 2:And I've been a police officer. Total of 20.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm not a science fiction guy and I know you didn't see science fiction stuff while serving, so thank you for your service. But you know the difference from real or fake, correct? Yes, yes, all right. The difference from real or fake, correct? Yes, yes, all right. So when people say, dude, you might be a little nuts, or you, I question you know, the people back home, as you said, they question you that kind of thing. What are your thoughts? How do you feel?
Speaker 2:half half of the people that would make fun of me were police officers and they would just give me unholy shit. But here's the here's the funny thing After everybody got through making fun of me and I would stand my ground, I was like, man, old Wayne ain't backing up. This is just what I believe. I ain't saying it's God's honest truth, I'm just saying it's, it's a theory. I think something's out there more than what we know, and everybody would start breaking up going their own way. It's what we know. And everybody started breaking up going their own ways, going out to start the day and, without fail, every time one or two people would come up. Officers would come up to me and go hey, I think you're right, I think there's something out there. I don't know what it is, but I think you're right. But I ain't going to say it in front of these guys and were they messing with you?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I had a good we all had a good relationship there and I miss those guys so much. That was one of the hardest things about leaving. But yeah, they ribbed me all the time and when I told them I was retiring early, coming up to the PNW number one, they go why the hell are you going to Oregon? And I go. Have you ever been there? It's incredibly beautiful. Politics aside, the state is just amazing. And, uh, my wife and I are huge outdoors people and, um, they would just go, man, they had make fun of me, just rib me. But again, I should, you not? Man? I'd have another one or two come up to me and go hey, you find something. You call me.
Speaker 2:Okay, Now when growing up. I think a lot of people are just scared to voice their opinion out loud. Sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1:I got you when growing up, did you watch, or are you a big fan, or were you a big fan of sci-fi movies, man?
Speaker 2:Were you a big fan of sci-fi movies, man man, we, you know. I'm sure you probably heard these stories all the time, but I grew up for poor white trash in central Texas and we only had two channels and we didn't have cable, didn't have, you know, VCR for the longest time. So I think my first experience for that was Star Wars, and obviously I love Star Wars like everybody else, but that was about as far as my sci-fi went.
Speaker 1:Okay, anything else out of the ordinary in and around star Wars, and star Wars came out.
Speaker 2:Not, not really I don't know about. Really don't watch much sci-fi stuff, okay.
Speaker 1:When fire in the sky came out, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2:Um, never seen the movie. I've just, uh, I read the book years ago and it it. There's only can be two, three things, I think. In my opinion, my humble opinion, by the way, he's faking it, mm. It's aliens, mm For our government. Yes, okay, that's good versus our government. Yes, okay, there can only be three things right, yeah, yeah. And I'm not going to say our government doesn't have that type of technology, because Bob Lazar says they do, but I still think that this is just random stuff that happens to selected people.
Speaker 1:But why a logger? Wasn't he from Roseburg, I believe so. Yeah, it was in Roseburg.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I don't have a. Maybe it's something that some of us. It's like a genetic lottery. Maybe if there's a hundred people out there in the woods and this is going to happen and this is going to happen, they're looking for one type of individual with a certain DNA that they can detect that we can't. I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 1:The movie was quite vivid man, it's chilling and it also gave me nightmares because I was at that age. I was like dude, no way, I can't watch this man. That's the same same year X-Files came out. You know, you're like no, that guy stretching down the drain, you know morphing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, no you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's just like.
Speaker 2:I'm a huge X-Files guy. Don't know, uh x files um, I don't know, that's some weird stuff, man gotcha you.
Speaker 1:You don't think it's all made up a lot of it I.
Speaker 2:It's based on real at least at first it was based on real fbi cases okay I want to know how chris carter and the writers of the simpsons predicted the future so accurately on so many things okay you know? Have you ever seen that the Simpsons predicted the future?
Speaker 1:so accurately on so many things Okay.
Speaker 2:Have you ever seen that? The Simpsons how they foretold the future? Yeah, yeah, yeah, chris Carter's done a pretty good job with the pandemic and a lot of other things.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like, oh geez, right, okay, all right, I'm getting what you're putting down. So Fire in the Sky might be a hoax Bigfoot people bring up Bigfoot, they automatically assume you're either batshit crazy or delirious, like I like to say, you're delirious, there's no way, right. But then aliens are coming around, ufos or what's the new name for it uaps, right, yeah, uaps. People are speaking up and people are starting to believe what they say. But then the people like the government let's say, the government, the conspiracies and stuff like that are behind it, basically shunning everyone that used to work with them that believe hey, or state something the government is hiding. But then there's video right of the, the pill in the ocean. You know what I mean and it's just like how can you explain that?
Speaker 2:and then, whoever speaks up on it, they're shunned right, and I was also ridiculed quite a bit for my alien beliefs. I I do believe that we're not alone. I've been saying that for a long time and and that my friend, I've been a believer since I was a little kid and this is the reason why, you know, I grew up in a very religious little town and went to church a lot and I noticed in the Old Testament, in a lot of paintings by the great masters of yesterday, they have a lot of UFO stuff in them. You know a lot of Leonardo's paintings. They have things in there. You know little of the leonardo's paintings they have, they have things in there.
Speaker 2:You know little chariots drawn and little discs and whatnot that are kind of um in the corner of the painting for some reason, especially with madonna and, uh, you know enoch and ezekiel. I mean, what are these things they're seeing in the sky, right, you know? And that caught my attention right away and I'd ask my mom and dad and they'd go, no, that's just, that's just their imagination, I guess. But that stuck with me and ever since then, and then finding out about the egyptians with the stuff that looks like a helicopter written in the great pyramids, right, and that I've been a believer of aliens much longer than Bigfoot actually, and they could be one and the same. I mean again, we don't really know that, right.
Speaker 1:Well, if they're considering it being predator, cloaking, shape-shifting other, dimensions.
Speaker 2:I mean that explains a lot of the UFOs. Yes, sir, that would Okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, that would Okay. Why when people say Bigfoot, they're either crazy and people don't believe it, but people, when somebody says they believe in Bigfoot, it's almost like, hey, I'm vegan and they believe Bigfoot's there. You know what I mean. Right, but they don't get flack like they do with ancient civilization, other things, you know.
Speaker 2:Why is that? I don't know. Like I told you, in Texas at least, I got ridiculed every time I opened my mouth about it, and I haven't been back to Texas very often and when I do, it's usually just on low key mode. I'm not around a lot of people besides my family. So and when we go to Louisiana, same thing, I know I got ridiculed the hell out of it. They just loved it. So I think they do the people that talk about it and I think when you turn your back and walk away, they're going.
Speaker 2:There's that crazy son of a bitch right there, you know, and it doesn't bother me one bit, doesn't bother me one bit that if people think I'm a little odd, I do know that I don't hear things. I don't have a mental illness that I'm aware of. I'm a pretty good, honest dude.
Speaker 1:You can't be a cop if you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what they say. Yes, sir. But it's just to me. There's always been an energy in the woods, especially up here in the Pacific Northwest. I feel it all the time. My wife does too, actually, and she's not a believer, she's an optimistic skeptic. I think she says, but but she's not a believer and she'll tell me the same things when we're out there, in the middle of nowhere she goes. You can feel an energy you don't feel anywhere else.
Speaker 1:And to me again, that that's kind of how bigfoot travels, it's energy I always feel the energy's uh, a bear or a cougar or some sort of predator staring at me or hawking me down, right, yeah, yeah, what's your? Uh, what's on your agenda for trails man, this year, have you got?
Speaker 2:them I I'm just now starting to work on it. I'm recovering from an excruciatingly painful hamstring tear and I am just now getting to where I'm back, to, where I'm about to start running again, and we are looking around mount hood. You know I love that damn place and we're, uh, we're also looking down in southern, uh, southern oregon and, uh, I'm gonna start hitting them as soon as I get rehabbed enough, where I can, and I've just now started making a list, so if you have any good ones you'd like to send over to me, yeah, what part of southern oregon?
Speaker 1:is it the i-5 corridor or yes, sir?
Speaker 2:yeah, i-5 corridor and uh, we are thinking about trying to get over to Bend. I'd like to go over to Sisters.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, get it before the permit system starts again or before it starts. I think it starts in May, but it's tough to get in those parts before then because of the snow and road closures and stuff like that. Gotcha snow and road closures and stuff like that. But if you don't want that hassle, dude you, you do it when you try to beat the crowd and the permit system good advice.
Speaker 2:Like I told you last time I'm, I got a lot to learn about the trails here when to go, where to go yeah, stay away from the permits, man gotcha.
Speaker 1:I think it's. I think that's a hoax, that's a way of the government saying, hey, let's pay for some some fun. You know what I mean. And it's like what do you use that for? Who knows right?
Speaker 2:yeah, speaking of the missing, uh, we're. We're gonna be back at crater lake in august, I believe, and I know besides yosemite, that's the um. I think that's the second most national park that people just disappear in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that reminds me we got to talk about the clusters. Eventually, I really believe in that when they bring up paranormal and missing, ah no. Paranormal and missing, Ah no. But I do believe in people disappearing because shit happens on the trail. That's true, Do?
Speaker 2:you think it's animal or human?
Speaker 1:I think it's both.
Speaker 2:Okay. I think, a lot of it's probably animal. In my humble opinion, Cats are good oh yeah, they are Big cats, they're stealthy. But then again, though Bud on the hunters, you don't find a rifle, you don't find a bow. You know, if an animal's going to get you, you're going to drop that. You might not lose any other clothing, but you're going to drop your rifle, You're going to drop your bow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't find any of that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, David brings up a good point, though. Man, you know the hypothermic stages, you know if you watched Everest. You watched that movie, Everest, the latest one. Did you notice, right before they died or when they were up there, they were freezing to death? They wanted to take off their clothes.
Speaker 2:They yeah, I, I've that's been around recently about that. You'll strip down naked for some reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and recently somebody who got caught up in a Mount hood Right and they did the same thing. They luckily they survived, but dude, they probably got blue limbs and fingers and stuff like that. But, um, yeah, I mean, some of that stuff is real, but I I feel they come unprepared and delirious because of being unprepared. And uh, that theory they want to go North, go up the mountain instead of down, is is uh quite relevant in that one.
Speaker 2:So and I think you're right 90, 95 of the time I I do believe between what you just said, the animal attacks, I still think there's a five percent of something I I want to say portals like over at skin Walker. There's something that's not natural, that you just the right time at the right place and you take a step and then, ah shit, I'm in a where the hell am I? Type of thing.
Speaker 1:So, so I gotta, I gotta say something. Man, I'll be in Salem for 24 hour run. You're gonna, you're gonna know where I'm coming from right now, right, and what I'm going to propose. Okay, I got a 24 hour run in Salem afterwards and this is during summertime. So I don't, I don't work during summertime. I normally hit the mountains and whatever I can to get you know my fix, right? Um, so I want you to take me out and BFE in that area, where those people were, and let's just spend the night out there, dude.
Speaker 2:That happened. The ending happened right, several miles from my house. Okay, so the ending of the flash of beauty that happened in Tokyo, oregon, okay, and that's where, that's where, that's where I live, and we've been out there and let me tell you the locals around here they have opened up to my wife, because my wife works in health care. Um, they have opened up to my wife, they have opened up to me and a lot of people around here said we have seen what they're talking about. And a lot of people around here said we have seen what they're talking about. And a lot of other people have said we have heard things that we. We know what bears sound like. We know what cougars sound like. These are good, good working people around here and they go. We don't know what that was. We heard and where the ending took place at. I have two people I work with that go. I know exactly where that is. I know exactly what they've been seeing because we've seen it too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been out there. I used to work out in Coos Bay, so I've been out there.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man. Again, nothing has happened to me personally. Well are you down.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, oh heck, yeah, oh heck yeah, oh heck yeah. I'm not going to say it, but you give me three destinations or three parts or places to go. I'll pick one and tell you last minute and be like, meet me here and we'll do that. That sounds like a plan to me, but because I don't want anybody to think, hey, man, he's gonna fix it up. Or you know people thinking that you know you're gonna set me up for something, because you know that's how people do, that's how people people think that, unfortunately, yes, sir yeah, yes, so you give me three destinations.
Speaker 1:I'll pick one last minute out after my race so I can be like hallucinating, you know, or just my theory, and we can just go balls to the wall. Try to hear, try to see.
Speaker 1:Some shit sounds good to me, man, I'm down you're, you're okay with that oh hell yeah, okay all right on that horse and ride man that that's what I'm gonna do, man, I, I, that's going to be. I believe that's my last race of the season, so, uh, or the year that I signed up for, so yeah, definitely going to be worth it. And I'll be like, hey, I'm taking a detour and tell my wife I'm going to go try to see Bigfoot or something out there. Bigfoot or something out there.
Speaker 2:Well, like I said, man I've never seen it either, so I don't. Um, that would be something, though we, you know, if we did see it, we couldn't tell nobody, cause nobody would believe us, cause they thought we made it up that shit crazy. I've been called that for a long time, but I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know, if, if, if it happens, dude, I'm, I'm telling people, like you know if, if it happens dude, I'm, I'm telling people like you're telling people, hell, yeah, I am, because I'm not a believer and you know of that, that stuff. You know that what we're talking about. But right, certain things do add up and, man, if there's a sound out there that was in that movie, oh dude, well you know real quick, but I quick.
Speaker 2:But how do you disprove that? Where this was back in 1971, where Ron Moorhead recorded these sounds in the Sierras that linguists have listened to and they go. That's not human. Yeah yeah, and this was before digital tape and all this stuff and I don't know that sure sounded kind of that. That was crazy.
Speaker 1:that's all I can say I know bobcats make the weirdest sounds too, but man, those are like what they recorded. What he recorded was not bobcat at all.
Speaker 2:That was not a bobcat, I couldn't tell you what it is, um, but I I do agree with uh that when they said it sounded like people talking to them and talking to one another that I can completely hear that. But yeah, I don't know. It's that. That's really interesting. Ron Moorhead has a lot of interesting theories of quantum physics and I agree a lot with what he says. I really respect his, his forthright and his research on the field. Again, man Einstein said all this was possible as well the time travel, the dimensions. There's just a lot of stuff out there. I just don't think we've wrapped our head around yet.
Speaker 1:Right, not yet. Not yet Just that UFO is coming around more, though, though a lot more and they're being seen underwater now.
Speaker 2:This is uh I I really. Is it the government, or is it et man?
Speaker 1:I don't know I got you all right, all right. So when are we going to meet you again, man? Are we going to meet again, man? Are we going to meet in person again first, or are we going to have another podcast first and then person?
Speaker 2:You, you, you tell me whatever works better for you and I'll make it work on my end, cause I'll meet you in person and I'd love to come back on and talk some more theory and just randomness about the Bigfoot and the clusters especially, and you know especially clusters especially, and you know especially around Mount Shasta. You know they have some weird things happen over there and that's in the Sierra Nevadas, you know, close to Yosemite. So there's a whole bunch of stuff, a can of worms we can get into.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the folklore. And you haven't been to the Sierras yet.
Speaker 2:I've been through them, driving, but not exploring, no sir.
Speaker 1:Dude, all I have to say, there's no mountain range like it. Rockies ain't got nothing on it. I hang out in the Sierras and that's one mountain range man. If I'm alone, I'm packing, I understand. Yeah, and that's one mountain range man. If I'm alone, I'm packing, I understand. Yeah, you do not want to get caught up and yeah, um, all right, and I, I told you right, my, my uh brother-in-law came up missing in the sierras, right no, sir, I don't believe so yeah, he came up missing, he passed, they found him, but still I'm
Speaker 1:prepared, I'm prepared. Um, I knew the site, I knew, know it like the back of my hand. I knew where he was, what he did wasn't very smart. But you know it happens, man, you know. And so people, people believe certain things and you know things change and they're like, okay, all right, they start opening up a bit, but yeah it, shit happens, and that, that, that force, that would the mountain range right there. There's nothing like it in the states, man and you're exactly right, though, and I will.
Speaker 2:I will go on record as saying at least 90 to 95 percent of people that go missing there is because they're unprepared or they have some sort of injury and an animal takes them out. Yeah, it's one of those two. I would believe 90 to 95 percent of the time.
Speaker 1:It's the other five percent that my mind just can't grasp all the way yeah, I'll send you something so you can know the gist of, uh, what had happened and occurred. Somebody did like a like a whole little um theory of himself of themselves and what had occurred, and pretty spot on.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I'll send it your way sounds good, man, that's, that's great yeah, yeah, but uh, no, man, I appreciate this conversation, you know, and uh, people, you know, people know I'm a social worker. I'm not in the science field, you know. Yes, behaviors is science and everything else, but man, when it comes to like paranormal stuff and and theories, I mean I'm a Freudian, you know. Give me some Coke and man, I can think of all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2:Didn't Freud snort enough cocaine to kill a small horse?
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Hey, man, you know what I mean. That's the kind of theories I've I learned and believe you know and and deal with, but when it comes to you know, dimensions and stuff like that, I think the only dimensions I can go in is if I'm under the yeah. So that's why I'm a little skeptical man and hopefully you know this conversation did make sense and you know we're in the right area to go on to talk about. What are we going to talk about next?
Speaker 2:man, you man, that's a. That's a broad topic because I like to talk about a lot of things.
Speaker 1:All right, let's talk about clusters, man, and then aliens, eventually down the road okay, all right, yeah, let's talk like the clusters. Okay, Alright, yeah, let's talk about the clusters, because we did hit on you know the truth on that. I think we do agree more on that. But yeah, let's talk about clusters.
Speaker 2:Sounds good to me.
Speaker 1:And Crater Lake, crater Lake man I don't know, I've stayed away from Crater Lake. I've thought, man I don't know I've stayed away from Crater Lake. I've thought about doing the rim. You know the trail.
Speaker 2:The 33-miler? Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it just I don't know. You never know.
Speaker 2:We can't stay away from there. We go back every opportunity we get. We're three hours away from it. If the weather's we get, we're uh, three miles away, uh, three hours away from it we're.
Speaker 1:If the weather's good, we're there yeah, well that that road right there where you guys live to get to five man, it's so dangerous it is, yeah, yeah, I don't know how you guys do it, that's that's more believable than orbs, I believe.
Speaker 2:Man, I got a video that we don't know what it is. There are two. I call them orbs. We don't know what they are. They're not bugs. I've had somebody say oh, those are bugs. Oh, bullshit, those are not bugs.
Speaker 1:I know what bugs are Like lightning bugs.
Speaker 2:They don't have lightning bugs up in Pacific Northwest, no sir, they don't, but you know, because it's in front of my house, okay, and I'll have to remember to send it to you. It's strange, it's very strange.
Speaker 1:Go down the Siskiy's, man, you don't have to drive that far from them. But go to the Siskiy's's. You get the same feeling that you do um, there and in crater lake. Same feeling, man, okay, excuse, I think siski's, you know it's. It's so scarce that, dude, hardly anybody will go out there and discover as much as they did in crater lake. Seriously, go, go to siski's. It's more isolated and yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we haven't got out there yet. We're hoping to this summer. We got a long list of places to go and things to see and hopefully run into something. Have you gone to Smith Rock? We've been to Smith Rock a couple times.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir okay, did you go to? Did you stay at that campground right there the Skull Hollow or Hollow Skull? Yeah, we didn't say there, we just day tripped, I'm just her. Okay, did you go to? Did you stay at that campground right there, the?
Speaker 2:skull hollow or hollow. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't say there, we just day tripped, you talk about Kent camping and hearing shit.
Speaker 1:I don't care what, what, what they say. There's something there too. I spent the night there all the time and it gets quiet. It is so dead when climbers aren't around right and you hear stuff. It's not cows out there and there's a lot of cows out there.
Speaker 2:It's strange. There's uh, I just don't know what to what else to say besides. Man, I just really do think there's something out there.
Speaker 1:I got me and you gotcha, oh yeah, oh yeah, and one day maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're past. I'm still thinking of hood. Oh god, that's my, that's my, uh, that's my dream, man still thinking of hood man.
Speaker 1:So I wanted to do a winter ascent. So I don't know if you're up for that, but, um, definitely want to do winter one. I wanted to do it in in February, but the weather's a lot different right now up there than it is down here and you just have to have that open blue you know bluebird day and it's tough right now. So maybe we can get something going on in the summer or right before summer hits. But I believe they have a permit system now.
Speaker 2:Oh my.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they, they had a permit system, but you can go the day before the day of and go up there. Okay, now you have to pick a day, I believe, and then hope that it doesn't snow, or Right? Yeah, avalanche conditions and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:That's still my dream. To do hood. It's still my dream.
Speaker 1:All right, so I haven't forgotten about you, man, we definitely do that, but my proposal I want to do that after the 24-hour run.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'll give you the dates. I'll give you the dates, man. And did I forget anything? You want to add anything, man? I forget anything. You want to add anything man?
Speaker 2:no, I just want to give another shout out to Brett and Michael. Brett and Jill my goodness for allowing me to have my music on their movie. I found their documentaries are just insightful. I loved them. They were the film. Photography was amazing, and I dig the stories and I just wanted to give them a shout out and just say thank you, I loved them. Uh, they were the film. Film photography was amazing. Um, and I dig the stories and I just wanted to give him a shout out and just say thank you for giving me an opportunity to have my music on there.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Brett man, and then so until next time. Yes, sir, all right, we'll be in touch, man, thank you so much. Thank, thank you so much. Thank you, buddy.